Results 1 to 5 of 5

Thread: Why I Don't Eat Beef . . .

  1. #1
    Early S Reg #1395 LongRanger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    California High Desert
    Posts
    14,371

    Why I Don't Eat Beef . . .

    Courageous Pilot . . .

    . . . Noble Hunter . . .



    . . . and an M4, I presume?



    Family of Wolves Shot Dead in Oregon

    '. . . The bullet he’d been dodging for many years finally caught up with the great Oregon wolf, OR4, Thursday. In the early afternoon, officials from the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW) shot to death the patriarch of the Imnaha Pack from a helicopter over Wallowa County, an area where gray wolves dispersing from Idaho first began returning to Oregon, where they’d been killed off in the mid-20th century. Shot along with OR4 was his likely pregnant partner, OR 39, known as Limpy for an injured and badly healed leg, and their two pups.

    The animals were killed for being presumed guilty of the deaths of four calves and a sheep on private pastureland on the fringes of the pack’s territory in northeast Oregon.

    Rob Klavins, who has been a wolf advocate on the front lines of the cultural and political battles that have accompanied the reemergence of wolves in the West as field coordinator for the conservation group Oregon Wild, heard the helicopters take off and knew the sound spelled doom for OR4.

    “It was hard for a lot of people,” said Klavins, reached on Friday at his home near the town of Joseph in Wallowa County. “Even some of his detractors had a begrudging respect” for OR4, the fourth wolf to be fitted with a location-tracking radio collar in Oregon. He weighed at least 115 pounds, the largest known wolf in Oregon at the time of his death, and survived for 10 years, three years longer than most wolves in the wild.

    OR4 and his progeny have been largely responsible for the gray wolf’s intrepid return to lands where the species was long ago hunted, poisoned, trapped, burned and otherwise chased nearly to extinction.

    Cattle farmers, who receive a subsidy from taxpayers to graze their animals on vast ranges of publicly-owned land where the wolves also dwell, worry about wolves killing their property. Hunters want first shot at the game, such as deer and elk, that wolves favor. But livestock depredations in Oregon are extremely rare, and have become scarcer even as the wolf population has increased. Meanwhile, ODFW’s data shows that Oregon’s wolves are having no effect on elk, deer and wild sheep populations. Of course, those statistics are small consolation to the rancher who suffered the loss of property in March.

    In early 2008, OR4 and his mate at the time, OR2, were among the first wolves to swim the Snake River, scale enormous mountains, and establish a foothold for wolves in game-rich Wallowa County. Since then, more than 110 Oregon wolves have spread from the remote northeast corner of the state, over the Cascades, and to near the California border. Many of these pioneering wolves were spawned by OR4.

    Beginning with his first pack in 2009, OR4 fathered, provided for, and protected dozens of wolf pups that survived in the Oregon wild—and made their way all the way south to California, where OR7, known as the “lone wolf,” trekked in 2012. Today, OR7 has his own pack in the California-Oregon border region. The alpha female of the Shasta pack—the first gray wolf pack to make California home since 1924—is the offspring of OR4.

    That OR4 lasted this long is source of wonder to those who have followed his starring role in Oregon’s gray-wolf comeback story. In 2011, a brief cattle-killing spree by the Imnaha pack had him slated for execution. A suit by Oregon Wild and other conservation groups stayed the execution order and OR4 settled into a mostly incident-free life as Oregon’s biggest and baddest-ass wolf.

    There is good reason to believe OR4 was cast out of his pack early this year, and his decision to move into livestock calving ground was borne of the need of an old, slowing and dull-toothed male—no longer able to bring down elk—to fend for his hobbled mate, to whom he was endearingly loyal, and his yearling pups.

    “He was an outlaw wolf with a heart of gold,” said Amaroq Weiss, the West Coast Wolf Coordinator for the Center for Biological Diversity. Weiss recalled a 2009 video of OR4 leading his Imnaha pack up a snowy mountainside as a defining image from the early days of Oregon’s wolf recovery. “He was definitely a father figure.”

    The Shasta Pack that is part of OR4’s legacy will soon be coming into its second litter. It is protected by the California Endangered Species Act. In Oregon, though, wolves were removed from the endangered species list in November, which allowed OR4’s pack to be shot to death Thursday. Activists have sued to re-list the animals.

    The wolf management plan that provided the legal justification for the killing of OR4, Limpy and their pups is up for review in Oregon this year. The state has determined that the wolf population met benchmarks that allow livestock producers more lethal options when dealing with depredating wolves. Klavins and others would like to make sure the updated plan calls for every non-lethal option to be exhausted before wolves are killed.

    “What was done [Thursday] was sufficient for an agency that views wildlife as agents of damage and whose primary job is to protect private interests at taxpayer expense,” Klavins said. “But it’s not good enough for a public agency whose mission is to ‘protect and enhance Oregon’s fish and wildlife and their habitats for use and enjoyment by present and future generations,’ ” he continued, quoting from the agency’s official documents. “They need to do better. Oregonians deserve better.”

    Wolf advocate Wally Sykes is one of the few to have encountered OR4 in the wild.

    “I was kind of initially prepared for something to happen, but the visual image of an old wolf being hunted down by a helicopter, with his hobbling mate by his side and his two freaked out pups along with him, is an ugly picture to carry in your head,” Sykes said. He said officials he spoke with were “not at all happy to have killed these wolves.” . . .
    '


    http://ecowatch.com/2016/04/03/oregon-wolves-killed/






    Calves are worth --- what . . . $400 - $500? And a sheep? Half that? And please don't tell me that the Poor Starving Rancher is subsidized, getting any kind of a tax break --- or ever grazing on State- or Federal-owned land


    Soooooooooo ---- what does a Gub'ment helicopter, one Courageous Pilot, one Noble Hunter, a spotter-or-three, weapons, fuel, logistics, misc support cost? $2k/hr?




    I say . . . . write the Poor Starving Rancher an effing check



    .....
    Attached Images Attached Images

    .........

    We Can Be Heroes

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    733
    In this politically charged year all we hear from incumbents is that THEY have experience and the newbies are unable to do what we do..
    Every story like this reminds we that most of our government officials don't have a effing clue what they are doing and they are scared to death we will wake up and realize it.

    I just traveled through Idaho, Montana, Utah , Oregon and Wyoming. Each of these intertwined states has a different wolf policy. Much as your article states a wolf is safe in one state and ready to be shot if it crosses state line.
    Public land leases are a helluva deal for ranchers.

  3. #3
    Early S Reg #1395 LongRanger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    California High Desert
    Posts
    14,371
    All bureaucratic brutality aside . . .

    . . . the economics of this kinda activity juuuuust boggles

    What does all of this flying-and-shooting-around actually cost --- dollars + cents-wise?

    And who pays for all of this?




    And who benefits? . . .



    . . . 'cause I'm sure the Good People of the Great State of Oregon would like to know what all their public servants are doing ----- on their dime




    ..

    .........

    We Can Be Heroes

  4. #4
    Senior Member 911quest's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Louisville KY
    Posts
    1,532
    [QUOTE+ cents-wise?



    . . . 'cause I'm sure the Good People of the Great State of Oregon would like to know what all their public servants are doing ----- on their dime

    ..[/QUOTE]

    Wasting time trying to remove ranchers out of a bird refuge. Maybe that would have been a good use of the helicopters
    Tony Proasi

    52 split window coupe

  5. #5
    most beef comes from the plains states and Ala., Florida and other parts of the Southeast. Western ranchers make only a tiny contribution to the US food supply (but they sure get huge subsidies).

    http://www.cattlenetwork.com/advice-...-all-50-states

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Message Board Disclaimer and Terms of Use
This is a public forum. Messages posted here can be viewed by the public. The Early 911S Registry is not responsible for messages posted in its online forums, and any message will express the views of the author and not the Early 911S Registry. Use of online forums shall constitute the agreement of the user not to post anything of religious or political content, false and defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise to violate the law and the further agreement of the user to be solely responsible for and hold the Early 911S Registry harmless in the event of any claim based on their message. Any viewer who finds a message objectionable should contact us immediately by email. The Early 911S Registry has the ability to remove objectionable messages and we will make every effort to do so, within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary.