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    FS: @AK - Late 1965 Model Year 911

    I got this in an e-mail from Auto Kennel today advertising this car for sale. I'm posting it here because it appears to be one of the last Model Year 1965 cars (302003 built 22 July 1965). Auto Kennel has a lot of photos on it's website.

    I'm not sure the throttle linkage crossbar should be yellow instead of silver zinc/cadmium but that's certainly a nit.

    Does anybody know if the Kardex note "Radzierkappen m. Wappen" means the optional (but rare) colored crests ("mit farbigem Wappen" in the accessories list) or the usual chrome crests?

    It's also interesting that it's engine number (902082) is much closer to its chassis number than the engine in my car (901505 in chassis 301382). Alas, there's no photo to disclose whether or not they solved the problem of replacing the "sombrero," that cap of black goo on the gas tank forming a base for the spare tire.




    Any word ending in "aholic" or "oholic" is defined as "one with an obsession for..."

    In Porsche circles, we understand who these special people are. They are the ones you see at every swap meet, literature show, or bidding on auctions. They are always chasing that rare unobtanium/NOS part.

    The owner of this '65 911 has not only a fondness for this hobby, but also a knack for finding these parts. He has been collecting rare 911s and original parts for over a decade. His patience has paid off with a special early 911 that has over 95% of its original parts.

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    1965 Porsche 911 Coupe
    Numbers Matching
    All Original Metal
    Fresh Ground Up Restoration
    Stock #0740

    VIN # 302003
    TRN# 102038 (901/0)
    ENG# 902082
    Numbers Matching
    Less than 100-Miles on Fresh Bare Metal Restoration
    Ruby Red/6402 on Black Leatherette (B)
    5-Speed 901 Manual Transmission
    Clean and Clear Title
    Certificate of Authenticity
    Copy of Factory Kardex

    Offered at $279,990

    Restoring an early production 911 is far more difficult than most realize. It really all starts with the condition of the car before the work starts. The majority of the trim and details are not available even as reproduction. Most of the reproduction parts are generic for all short wheel base (SWB) 911s. As Porsche was ramping up their production capabilities for the new 911 model back in 1964/65, there were frequent changes to the details throughout the first few thousand models making much of the trim and components virtually non-existent.

    This 911 was produced on July 22nd, 1965 and delivered new by Brumos Porsche of Jacksonville to a W.A. Stockton of West Palm Beach on September 22nd, 1965. It lived most of its life in Florida. It was ordered with the following factory options:

    Webasto heater (01 549)
    Tinted glass all around
    Wheel caps w/crest
    Exterior mirror left
    Phoenix tires (165/15)

    The owner of this ’65 was fortunate that he found a car that had mechanical failure decades ago. This was key to this car surviving. When the engine failed on this 911, apparently, it was simply tucked away in a garage and covered. As a result, most of the unique details and metal were preserved. This example was very complete with an extensive list of original parts to the car. Some highly skilled and well-respected craftsmen carefully restored these components. These original parts include:

    All corner lights
    Steering wheel
    Deco trim
    Hella fog lights
    All metal panels (correct vin stampings)
    Passenger fender washer fluid bag (original)
    Correct shock towers
    Original floor and front pan
    Hood latch panel
    Correct concave button door handles
    Correct unique handles on ashtray and glove box
    All window trim
    4-screw horn grills
    Original hood crest
    Stainless door thresholds
    Correct unrestored sun visors
    Shift lever and knob (correct year bend)
    Correct factory leather shift and hand brake boots
    All glass original (except correct stamped replacement windscreen)
    Date stamped gauges
    Brass ignition bezel
    Engine cover grill with brass buttons
    Correct 4-button dash
    Original factory tool kit and jack (wrenches restored)
    07/65 Date stamped wheels (all 5)
    Correct cast iron distributor
    Alternator/fan housing
    Valve covers
    Correct Nadella half shaft axles
    80-90% of all the hardware is original and re-plated
    All latches and hinges are original/correct Karmax parts

    These are just highlights of some of the rare parts this 911 has. The list goes on with correct date stamped engine parts as well (see pics).

    This was a three-year restoration. The owner is a long time Porsche enthusiast who also enjoys finding rare and original parts. While work was being done, he combed the country for any other correct and original parts he could find for this project. Some of the best in the industry were employed to help restore this 911. Peter Sorensen with PBR Restorations was in charge of the drivetrain rebuild/restoration. Based in Northern California, Peter is recognized as one of the top engine builders in the area. Aaron Burnham in Camarillo refurbished the original Solex carburetors. Eric with PMB Performance restored the original brakes.

    The paint and bodywork as well as assembly were given to Brandon Penserini of Altissimo in Napa, California. Brandon’s work has been recognized not only at the Pebble Beach Concours, but also recent wins at the Good Guys show.

    Finally, Autos International restored the interior. Even the carpet is correctly restored with the cloth bindings (vs. vinyl) found on these early production 911s.

    Although this example has mostly original parts, in the few cases, none could be found; new parts were purchased directly from Porsche with the exception of the heat exchangers and exhaust, which are from Dansk. This car had very rare ’64 production heat exchangers, which were decided to be used for the owner’s ’64 restoration project currently under way.

    The cosmetic condition is excellent and fresh. The paint looks great with no blemishes. All the original brightwork has been restored. The correct date stamped wheels wear new Vredestein tires. The interior looks equally as nice as everything has been restored. The wood dash has been properly finished as well.

    Recently, we had a local Porsche specialist go through the car, tune it, and make sure everything operates properly.

    The car is a fresh restoration so we put 100 shakedown miles on it. The power is strong and very responsive. We’ve adjusted the Solex carbs a few times. They will probably need to be further adjusted as the car breaks in. It holds idle at start with no smoking. Once it warms up, it drives great.

    This Porsche comes with the owner’s manual, spare tire/wheel, original tool kit, jack, build photos, copy of the Kardex, and Porsche Certificate of Authenticity.

    If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact Paul at 714-335-4911 or paul@autokennel.com

    For tons of photos, go to: www.AutoKennel.com
    Jim Alton
    Torrance, CA
    Early 911S Registry # 237

    1965 Porsche 911 coupe
    1958 Porsche 356A cabriolet

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    Turns out there is a photo showing that they couldn't replicate the Sombrero.
    Jim Alton
    Torrance, CA
    Early 911S Registry # 237

    1965 Porsche 911 coupe
    1958 Porsche 356A cabriolet

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeunElf View Post
    Turns out there is a photo showing that they couldn't replicate the Sombrero.
    Yeah, I spoke to the owner who spent over 3-years restoring this car and he said that the so-called "sombrero" was gone when they did the restoration and he wasn't aware of anyone replicating them to a high quality.

    Yes, the car was ordered from the factory with color crests on the hubcaps. BTW, our website has over 300 detailed photos including stuff during the build: www.autokennel.com. Please be patient as these photos load. Over 95% of the parts on the car are original.

    Regarding the earlier sequenced engine number, when this car was found, it had quite a few '64 detail parts on it including the very rare '64 heat exchangers (owner is saving for another project). Also, if you see the pictures, much of the engine parts are date stamped March 1965. We believe that this example started production a few months earlier but was delayed for some reason.

    Cheers,
    Paul

    1966 BMW 1600 (one of first in U.S.)
    1967 VW Beetle Sedan (Honeymoon car)
    1984 Porsche 928S (Hindenburg)
    1986/1973 Backdated 911 Coupe (R Gruppe/La Tortuga)
    1987 Isuzu Impulse RS Turbo
    1988 Porsche 944 Turbo S
    1999 BMW M Coupe (Race soon to be Rally)
    2003 Jaguar S-Type R Supercharged (family hauler/rain car)
    2004 Porsche 996 GT3
    2005 Chevy Express 16-passenger van (for hauling everything else)

    http://www.autokennel.com

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    Early 911S Registry # 237 NeunElf's Avatar
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    Everything I've heard says the heat exchangers changed in 1967. The 901/05 engine kept the "Solex" cam profile but got exhaust restrictors to keep the horsepower from increasing. Then the 901/06 engine came out with milder cams, no exhaust restrictors and the same 130 hp DIN.

    I've also heard the '65-'66 heat exchangers were prone to cracking (and letting exhaust into the passenger compartment) so virtually all cars have been upgraded.

    I have seen earlier heat exchangers on a very few restored cars but given that story about cracking heat exchangers, I'll live with the 10 extra horsepower.


    Ar these 1964 heat exchangers really different from the '65-'66 heat exchangers? Are there any photos?
    Jim Alton
    Torrance, CA
    Early 911S Registry # 237

    1965 Porsche 911 coupe
    1958 Porsche 356A cabriolet

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    Early heat exchangers

    Quote Originally Posted by NeunElf View Post
    Everything I've heard says the heat exchangers changed in 1967. The 901/05 engine kept the "Solex" cam profile but got exhaust restrictors to keep the horsepower from increasing. Then the 901/06 engine came out with milder cams, no exhaust restrictors and the same 130 hp DIN.

    I've also heard the '65-'66 heat exchangers were prone to cracking (and letting exhaust into the passenger compartment) so virtually all cars have been upgraded.

    I have seen earlier heat exchangers on a very few restored cars but given that story about cracking heat exchangers, I'll live with the 10 extra horsepower.


    Ar these 1964 heat exchangers really different from the '65-'66 heat exchangers? Are there any photos?
    Yes, way different. And, yes, prone to leak..but they ARE original. They can be pressure checked or you can drive with the windows open We need a pair, btw. Thanks.
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    The restoration looks top notch, little to fault. Especially, given how it started out !
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    After seeing those photos the statement "has over 95% of its original parts" might be a little misleading.

    How would one even measure and quantify that?
    Sounds like dealer speak to me.

    Nice car though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Beck View Post
    After seeing those photos the statement "has over 95% of its original parts" might be a little misleading.

    How would one even measure and quantify that?
    Sounds like dealer speak to me.

    Nice car though.
    It's probably as in like when you buy a car that is 95% complete and during the restoration you come to realize that the missing 5% seems to be much more .. (part and especially money wise ..).

    Richard
    searching for engine (case) 903742

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeunElf View Post
    Everything I've heard says the heat exchangers changed in 1967. The 901/05 engine kept the "Solex" cam profile but got exhaust restrictors to keep the horsepower from increasing. Then the 901/06 engine came out with milder cams, no exhaust restrictors and the same 130 hp DIN.

    I've also heard the '65-'66 heat exchangers were prone to cracking (and letting exhaust into the passenger compartment) so virtually all cars have been upgraded.

    I have seen earlier heat exchangers on a very few restored cars but given that story about cracking heat exchangers, I'll live with the 10 extra horsepower.


    Ar these 1964 heat exchangers really different from the '65-'66 heat exchangers? Are there any photos?
    I had a long conversation with Bob Fleming on this subject and yes, he said that there was a serious issue with the early heat exchangers and when customers would bring their 911s in for service, the dealer would just automatically switch them out...kinda like a hush hush recall.

    I haven't seen them in yet but from what I heard, they are different.

    1966 BMW 1600 (one of first in U.S.)
    1967 VW Beetle Sedan (Honeymoon car)
    1984 Porsche 928S (Hindenburg)
    1986/1973 Backdated 911 Coupe (R Gruppe/La Tortuga)
    1987 Isuzu Impulse RS Turbo
    1988 Porsche 944 Turbo S
    1999 BMW M Coupe (Race soon to be Rally)
    2003 Jaguar S-Type R Supercharged (family hauler/rain car)
    2004 Porsche 996 GT3
    2005 Chevy Express 16-passenger van (for hauling everything else)

    http://www.autokennel.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Henderson View Post
    The restoration looks top notch, little to fault. Especially, given how it started out !
    Thanks Allen for posting those pics. I'm checking with the owner to find out more about the parts, etc. We have pics of all the vin stamped body panels still original to the car (includes the front fender missing in the photo).

    Frank, I am going off of what the owner said who is a very reputable guy and it isn't "dealer" speak". We have spent the last 30+ days getting ready and researching this car for market. The owner put a lot of time and thought into preserving and making everything as original as possible. He explained to me what was original on the car and what wasn't. We do know that all the metal panels including the floor are original. The motor was very complete as was much of the trim and glass. The wheels are also original and correct date stamps.

    I've already sent an email to the owner to clarify further. Frank, you know that I go to great lengths to make sure my statements are accurate and backed up. Just because there are two small Ebay pics posted above, don't assume that is the full story. I suggest you go to our website and look at the 300 build photos...you will see all the parts with their correct date stamps, etc.

    *Just spoke to the owner and although the car looks rough, it was very complete. He didn't buy it off of ebay and isn't sure this is the exact car or not from the ebay ad. We will find out more. I also will be posting pics of all the original hardware...stay tuned*
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    Last edited by Paul-HB; 04-26-2016 at 06:35 AM.

    1966 BMW 1600 (one of first in U.S.)
    1967 VW Beetle Sedan (Honeymoon car)
    1984 Porsche 928S (Hindenburg)
    1986/1973 Backdated 911 Coupe (R Gruppe/La Tortuga)
    1987 Isuzu Impulse RS Turbo
    1988 Porsche 944 Turbo S
    1999 BMW M Coupe (Race soon to be Rally)
    2003 Jaguar S-Type R Supercharged (family hauler/rain car)
    2004 Porsche 996 GT3
    2005 Chevy Express 16-passenger van (for hauling everything else)

    http://www.autokennel.com

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