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    FS: @eBay - Porsche 912 prototype $895K

    Not mine.

    Does anyone know this car?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-912-...m=191973001973

    S/N 13415

    Incredibly rare, factory-documented 1965 Porsche 356B/912 Coupe Prototype

    One of six 4-cylinder prototypes constructed

    One of two surviving examples

    Built as a factory research and development vehicle with the primary emphasis of being a test car for the United States

    Believed to be the demonstrator/presentation vehicle at the July 1965 Porsche Factory Tour arranged for the United States dealer network

    Cloisonne badge affixed to rear engine grille reading '1st U.S. Porsche Dealer Tour-Stuttgart-19-22-July 1965

    Copy of factory-issued Kardex

    Porsche Certificate of Authenticity

    Restored to an extremely high standard by a respected marque specialist

    Original matching numbers 356SC-spec 4-cylinder engine

    4-speed manual transmission

    Light Ivory with Black leather interior

    Zuffenhausen Award at 2014 Porsche Parade Concours with a score of 297.4/300 points

    This car is an incredibly rare, factory-documented 1965 Porsche 356B/912 Coupe Prototype.

    Porsche commenced with the replacement design to its existing 356 model range in the early 1960s. The result was the iconic Porsche 911 and 912 introduced to the public in 1963 and in 1965 respectively. The Porsche 912 with the internal designation 902 was the entry-level model. In order to both amortize the large capital cost associated with tooling up for a completely new car as well to provide a new Porsche product at a price point commensurate with the outgoing 356SC, Porsche came up with a simple yet elegant design package: the installation of the 356 4-cylinder engine into an identical body structure shared with the 911. This concept was embraced by management in 1962, and authorization for the construction of six prototypes was granted. Of the six original 4-cylinder prototypes, only two are documented to have survived. This car serial number 13415 is one of the two survivors. It is ironic that a car of such historical significance was found by accident. Originally purchased as a parts car, it was the five digit serial number as opposed to a six-digit serial number on all production 911 and 912 models that roused the interest of the new owner. After receiving documentation from Porsche archives, the Certificate of Authenticity clearly identifies the Model Year/Type of this car as being a 1965 356B/912 coupe prototype. Another stroke of good fortune was that the car still had its original numbers matching engine. Fully aware of the pivotal role this car played in the history of the Porsche 912, the process of disassembly and restoration adhered to a strict protocol with each piece being carefully examined and cataloged. This car was built as a factory research and development vehicle with the primary emphasis of being a test car for the United States. This is corroborated on the factory issued Kardex which clearly states Versuch (trial) on the original use category of the document. It is also believed that this car is the demonstrator/presentation vehicle at the July 1965 Porsche factory tour arranged for the United States dealer network. A cloisonne badge affixed to the rear engine grille reading 1st U.S. PORSCHE DEALER TOUR – STUTTGART- 19 22 – JULY 1965 further supports this. The final validation of its purpose and significance is best supported by Hans Peter Porsche, Head of Porsche Production in 1965, who saw the car at the 2014 Porsche Parade in Monterey, California, and vividly remembers it at the factory back in the day. After fulfilling its intended purpose of being a test mule and presentation vehicle, the factory sold the car on August 25, 1966 to a new owner in Stuttgart, Germany. As in all prototypes, this car is a combination of carry-over technology integrated with newly engineered design solutions and experimental parts. The engine serial number 821653 falls within the range of serial numbers produced in the 1964 model year and is built to 356SC specifications. The transmission is the 4 speed variant of the 5-speed transmission used in its 6 cylinder brethren 911. The door hinges are aluminum—a sharp contrast to the stout steel units in the production models. The front suspension features shock towers with adjustable support mounts and plates—an improved solution to a previously problematic welded design. The dashboard was painted body color as opposed to the aluminum applique seen on later production models of the 912. This car has been restored to an extremely high standard by a respected marque specialist. Resplendent in Light Ivory with black leatherette interior, the presentation is impeccable. The panel alignment is spot on with factory-correct door, trunk and deck-lid gaps. The underside is equally impressive with crisp stamping impressions on the sheet metal and period-correct application of paint and texture. This comprehensive restoration was acknowledged at the 2014 Porsche Parade Concours where it was bestowed with the Zuffenhausen Award scoring 297.4 points out of a 300 point maximum. This car represents a significant chapter in the Porsche legacy. It is one of the two remaining prototypes that developed and defined the Porsche 912 a car that bridged the transition from the 356 series to the 911 series of Porsche automobiles.
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    I think this car was just sold at one of the California auctions this year. Either a flip, or maybe it didn't actually sell?

    Edit: didn't sell...high bid $600k

    https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0816-24...912-prototype/


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    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...-912-prototype
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ever-for-a-912

    Still of the opinion that this is just a replacement chassis.
    paint code plate shows it was Karmann built & 6602 (1966) paint code.
    Much too late for a prototype IMHO.
    Last edited by davep; 09-22-2016 at 10:14 AM.
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    20X over a non prototype 912?
    Seems a little rich. Numerous prototypes of other brands go for a multiple to their later breathren but 20 times? hmmm.

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    So, I have an ID plate removed from a car that I cut up long ago. It reads the same as the car in question " the Certificate of Authenticity clearly identifies the Model Year/Type of this car as being a 1965 356B/912 coupe prototype".
    Question, am I a rich man? Anybody want to give me $250,000 for the plate? With this plate you could concoct your own story and become a successful car flipper/ story teller.

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    Gee, sorry to dash your hopes Jim, but I have a strange feeling there are a lot of tags with the 356BT6 heaters.
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    Cool

    I like the prototype ride height
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    13415 — being sold at Mecum tomorrow is represented as a 356B 912 prototype. It is actually a 912 test car (says that on Kardex!) built May/June 1965 based on original items on the car. Since production 912s started rolling off the lines in April 1965, it is definitely not a prototype and does not have any of the unique April and earlier features. It has a few updated details like seats and steering wheel. It also shows a KD engine on the Kardex (and CoA) but mysteriously has an engine with the original engine number now — how do you think that happened? The 356B bit is based on the Euro heater info on the I.D. plate (see my 911/912 book page 79 or Jim B's photo above)! They are estimating it between $400-$500K.

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    It was a no sale today at $290K. I am only putting this here because there is no report I can find of what it didn't sell for in 2016. They referred to it as a "1965 356B 912 prototype" on the air, which as I indicate above, it decidedly is not. Still for a 912, $290K is pretty salty.

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