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    PMO air corrector jet question

    The PMO's on my 2.7 run a bit lean at high rpm under load with AFR's in the 13--13.5 range. CORRECTION. Tried 145 mains then reverted to 140's after finding car way rich in midrange.
    Air correctors are 190's. I'm thinking I should be using 180's or 185's to get the AFR closer to 12-12.5 at the high end. Anybody know what sort of AFR shift I can expect as I move from 190 to 180?
    Last edited by jameshtaylor; 01-14-2017 at 05:54 AM. Reason: fix mistake
    jhtaylor
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    74 911 coupe. 2.7 redone by Competition Engineering; ported to 36mm, shuffle-pinned, boat-tailed, Elgin mod-S cams, J&E 9.5's, PMO's.
    73 Targa (much beloved, sold and off to a fine new home in San Francisco)

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    Not much.

    Size of PMO's and venturi size would help. And what's "high" RPM?

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    PMO's are 40mm with 36mm venturis...high rpm means over 5500 to 7k on this engine.
    jhtaylor
    santa barbara
    74 911 coupe. 2.7 redone by Competition Engineering; ported to 36mm, shuffle-pinned, boat-tailed, Elgin mod-S cams, J&E 9.5's, PMO's.
    73 Targa (much beloved, sold and off to a fine new home in San Francisco)

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    Classical relationship between main jet size and air corrector size is: a change up in mains of "5" is equivalent to air corrector change down of "15".

    135s are leaner than 140s so a change up in size would be richer.

    36mm main venturis with S cams & sport exhaust would typically ask for 145 to 150 mains & 170 air corrections in Webers.

    As John Passini would say "Suck it & see".
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    Paul. Thank you. See my correction above... I found 145's too rich in midrange, not 135's (which were too lean.)
    I'll try 175's and see how I do. Are the PMO and Weber air correctors interchangeable?
    jhtaylor
    santa barbara
    74 911 coupe. 2.7 redone by Competition Engineering; ported to 36mm, shuffle-pinned, boat-tailed, Elgin mod-S cams, J&E 9.5's, PMO's.
    73 Targa (much beloved, sold and off to a fine new home in San Francisco)

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    I think PMO & Weber share common idle jets but the main circuit jet stack design is taken from the IDF Weber family and are not interchangeable.

    The smaller main jet and smaller air correction should fatten the upper range without causing a rich lower end...Suck it & see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameshtaylor View Post
    The PMO's on my 2.7 run a bit lean at high rpm under load with AFR's in the 13--13.5 range. CORRECTION. Tried 145 mains then reverted to 140's after finding car way rich in midrange.
    Air correctors are 190's. I'm thinking I should be using 180's or 185's to get the AFR closer to 12-12.5 at the high end. Anybody know what sort of AFR shift I can expect as I move from 190 to 180?
    Is 13-13.5 at high RPM under load really considered lean. I would of thought this to be perfect a little rich of 14.7.
    1968 911T R.O.W. / 68S engine.

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    Middle 12's is where most of the experts seem to want the car to be under wide open throttle.
    jhtaylor
    santa barbara
    74 911 coupe. 2.7 redone by Competition Engineering; ported to 36mm, shuffle-pinned, boat-tailed, Elgin mod-S cams, J&E 9.5's, PMO's.
    73 Targa (much beloved, sold and off to a fine new home in San Francisco)

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