Engine stand

[AKAMick]

As I get to the point of my 2.2T assembly where I can mount the heat exchangers, I start to have misgiving about the strength of the engine case to support the weight, two bolts is the only thing holding the weight, the semi circle mount is mounted tightly, has anyone ever had the case give out under this weight?, quite nervous on this as it is my first 911 project, thanks for any reassurances.

[Frank Beck]

As long as the yoke is firmly attached to the bellhousing you have absolutely nothing to be nervous about.

I would be far more concerned with some of the cheapo overseas stands that most guys end up using.


Jon B., my spelling teacher has struck again. Lol

Apparently attaching an egg to a bellhousing is ineffective.

[StephenAcworth]

So which stands would you recommend, Frank?

As long as the yoke is firmly attached to the bellhousing you have absolutely nothing to be nervous about.

I would be far more concerned with some of the cheapo overseas stands that most guys end up using.


Jon B., my spelling teacher has struck again. Lol

Apparently attaching an egg to a bellhousing is ineffective.

[911MRP]

I'm just a hobbyist (not a professional like Frank ) so don't have need for all tools but have several different sets. Generally Matra stands yokes and clamps. Below are some of mine -- ones I happen to have a snap of to hand

Matra make tools for VW and Porsche among many others usually quite solid robust items.

I've not used the three arm vw307a for 911 because the four arm P version is best for that. I have a very heavy duty Lista work bench bolted to floor that takes the clamp giving an option nstead of a stand.





The blue stand with square section upright is slightly later than another earlier but heavier duty Matra one (not shown as don't have picture of it to hand) . The VW313 clamp on top has been repainted red rather -- original colour probably he dusty grey of my other. Leaving cosmetics aside quite heavy duty if located secured correctly on proper type of floor.


Also I have an adapter that can work on a universal stand I'm told. Not sure I'd use it given other options but it is quite a solid item and face is correct profile of cutouts etc. Probably Porsche 9579 or maybe a very similar aftermarket item.

HtH

[Cliff]

Looks like you’re all set!! Post # 4 above & 6

[911MRP]

So which stands would you recommend, Frank?

In summary, my answers to StephenAckworth's question is:

On the basis that engine support stand VW3054 in combination with VW313 are listed in this Porsche factory special Tools reference publication

the page dated 9/82 so presumably a supplement as book is earlier is marked as applicable (x mark) against 911 and importantly even heavier 930 etc

The Porsche factory manual content probably makes the pairing a good bet for early 911like AKAMicks 2.2

If also used in combination with the Porsche P201 four or more arm (but being conservative probably not the VW207a three arm)
P201 was shown in earlier 1965 special tools catalogue as applicable for 911 etc -- not sure when it was upgraded to 5 arm but likley later heavier engines so probably later than 2.2 or longhood era?


Maybe not cheapest option for especially if it has to be sourced via VAG SnapOn VW Audi or wherever channel they are distributed. Given the Porsche factory inclusion of them in its special tools catalogues of 60s 70s as used by the official network probably makes them a worthwhile investment given value of 911 engines these days.

Yoke P201 and VW 313 holder were in these two publications listing the minimum equipment and tools to be a Porsche approved service agent in British market circa 1972. But no stand specified so not sure what Porsche recommendation for was before VW 3054 if VW 308 not suitable.

One star service agents (as cross referenced to the glovebox booklet list that came in the maroon wallet ) didn't actually need to have yoke P201 in their minimum tool holding. Presumably one star agents carried out fairly basic servicing work of type with engine and transmission in car.

Possibly AKAMick might source tools second hand rather than pay thousands for an occasional use items.My grey VW313 is hardly new and certainly needs cleaning /light renovation.



As stated pofessionals who earn their living using things like this might know better as they use them more regularly and their businesses probably invest in tools of trade.

Hope all goes well for AKAMick -- I'd be interested in what stand tool he is using that gived rise to concerns in OP

[Cliff]

As long as the yoke is firmly attached to the bellhousing you have absolutely nothing to be nervous about.

I would be far more concerned with some of the cheapo overseas stands that most guys end up using.


Jon B., my spelling teacher has struck again. Lol

Apparently attaching an egg to a bellhousing is ineffective.

unless, it’s applied to the face of the bell housing!

Here is a factory? Engine stand and yoke.

[gled49]

These are the clamp and engine stand head I’ve always used. G

[Jon B]

As long as the yoke is firmly attached to the bellhousing you have absolutely nothing to be nervous about.
I would be far more concerned with some of the cheapo overseas stands that most guys end up using.

I agree with Frank's direct reply to AKAMick's concerns. An inadequate stand is much more likely to "give out" than the yoke's attachment to the engine.
If Mick isn't sure that his yoke or stand are adequate, he should post a photo of what he has.

The only factory pieces from Porsche were the yokes, beginning with the 4-cam Carrera yoke. The Matra pieces are factory Volkswagen items, some used by Porsche, others not.
The term "yoke" is a reference to the engine support's similarity, in appearance, with an aircraft yoke.
I can post my own photos and explain the various pieces, if anyone is interested. If so, I'll include my name in the photos, so some fauxster doesn't post them elsewhere as his own.

Jon B.
Vista, CA

[911MRP]

... the stand used in famous Teloche garage that Porsche often used at Le Mans. Worker in 72 doesn't use Porsche P or even VW yoke, stand or clamp to hold the engine:


Not recommended practice but bet it still happens. Imagine there be damage if it had toppled into the other engine just below or maybe worse if it fell into the couple of Jerry can fuel containers. Today's health and safety standards folks would have a field day and probably try to shut the place down, especially as there are folks just standing around the place.

Joking apart this is what the Porsche tools catalogue showed as one of the stand options in 2015 Edition:

Example above in SnapOn link looks quite similar to the Matra blue one I own pictured in post #4 above.

Below an example for sale (no stock) on Porsche site also looks similar design to the Matra one that specifically references 313 and 307a so for engines that use that three arm yoke. Price when $470 bit now superceded. At one time "minimum holding" item for a Porsche service dept at Canadian and USA dealer :


Not sure why www entry above doesn't mention the four arm for various Porsche up to around 964 -- (P201 page pictured from my Oct 65 tool special Tool catalogue).


Matra I've shown in post #4 is special tool 3054. Close up of its labels tale earlier today:

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Matra is a well known German tool maker used by various OEMs. According to my copy of the later Porsche special tool catalogue VW3054 is their Porsche (and others?) stand suitable for air-cooled 911 motor and heavier 930 as well as engines front engined water cooled cars . Page dated 82 from the book pictured here for information


Some earlier stands have more reinforcing and spread base for example: US9005 in this USA zelenda listing I have from circa 75


This is is what Zelenda show mid 70s with vw308 but not checked for 911 or 914

Obviously folks who earn a living from Porsche work will have more need and knowledge of suitable 911 tools so like most hobbyists I'll muddle through using my personal tools. Plenty of oil drums to be had worst case

Hope this helps

Steve