Hi guys!
I have a '67 912 with 15mm ARB front/rear, suspension set low, 6/7x15 deep Fuchs and want a form sporty ride. I put on used set of Konis when doing the suspension(all rubber bushings) but feel the shocks (especially rear) should be renewed or renowated.
I am looking at a new full set of shocks, but which type would you recomend, Koni or Bilstein?
Driving mostly on the street, little circuit use but want a sporty ride.
'67 911S Sunroof, Polo Red(Project disguised as a G-model)
'67 912 Sunroof, Light Ivory(Alive and kickin')
'67 912 SWTarga, Signal Red(Project in the making)
X: 67 911 Coupe + 67S Targa, 912, 924, 944, 928, 356
In my experience, the Koni's (even on the softest setting) will be quite stiff on the rear, given your relatively light weight engine compared to the 911 engine for which the Koni's were intended. Chances are, your 912 originally came from the factory with Boge shocks, front and rear unless Koni's were special ordered. Check to see if your front strut housings are Boge or Koni. This will influence your choices for the front shocks. Koni's can be ordered to fit the front Boge housings, but you must be careful to order these particular (Koni into Boge) shocks. For around town and freeway driving I prefer Boge, although I admit I have two 912's with Koni's all around. They ride like buck boards on the surface streets as low speed. As far as Bilsteins go I do not use them. I suspect other members of this board will have differing opinions.
Thanks Jim for your answer!
Yes I have Boge struts with Koni inserts. I put new Bilsteins on my 67 1500 beetle last year and ride is exellent, form but not too stiff.
I do not know if they make Koni/Bilstein for 912 weight?
'67 911S Sunroof, Polo Red(Project disguised as a G-model)
'67 912 Sunroof, Light Ivory(Alive and kickin')
'67 912 SWTarga, Signal Red(Project in the making)
X: 67 911 Coupe + 67S Targa, 912, 924, 944, 928, 356
on all my cars:
bilstein gas dampers...
the koni are just stiff...sink down. .end of the story...
bilstein keep the level and provide an acceptable comfort & calculatable chassis movement..
but everybody has a different comfort zone
br
haul
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Thanks Haul! Will try source Bilsteins!Originally Posted by haul
'67 911S Sunroof, Polo Red(Project disguised as a G-model)
'67 912 Sunroof, Light Ivory(Alive and kickin')
'67 912 SWTarga, Signal Red(Project in the making)
X: 67 911 Coupe + 67S Targa, 912, 924, 944, 928, 356
No. P36-0111 did not exist anymore. But we can deliver P36-0112 (new part no. 34-001127) which is similar to P36-0111 but only a little bit shorter. To fit the cars till ´68 you have to use a flat washer witch you have to put in the bottom of the tube in order to reach similar length to fit it in correct position. This tricky solution in known by all Porsche specialists
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59 750 pre unit triton
63 650 gray silver bikinitub triumph thunderbird
70 650 astralred silver triumph bonneville
65 912 slate gray "erwin"
73 914 ravennagreen "ferdl"
erwin_loves_polo
Thanks for good info!!
Are there a specific type for rear on SWB 912 or same as 911?
And are these adjustable?
'67 911S Sunroof, Polo Red(Project disguised as a G-model)
'67 912 Sunroof, Light Ivory(Alive and kickin')
'67 912 SWTarga, Signal Red(Project in the making)
X: 67 911 Coupe + 67S Targa, 912, 924, 944, 928, 356
Very cool car.
Everyone has their opinions, and dampers/suspension setups can be super subjective. Trick is, you really only want to do it once.
Personally, the green Bilstein HDs I was talked into leave me wishing I had stuck with Koni reds. The Bilsteins are fine once you're over 50~ mph or so, and the way the car rolls into a bend is nice, but the ride at anything under 50 mph is "jiggly" with a ton of up-down body movement that just wasn't there before with Koni reds. From what I understand, Koni yellows are worse.
Bilsteins can be made really nice, but you need someone who knows what they're doing on the revalve. Years ago, I did a track test with Bilstein Sports off the shelf back to back with revalved Bilstein Sports in two setups in the same 911 SC at Sears Point. The difference was night and day between off the shelf and the first revalve—car felt 25 years newer and was so much nicer and more confidence inspiring. I have since driven several air-cooled 911 road cars with re-valved Bilsteins that were just wonderful, and have wondered about having my HDs revalved.
If I had it to do over again, however, I'd have rebuilt a set of Koni reds—unless, that is, Bilstein has changed its damping philosophy more recently. YMMV, and I am sure others will weigh in.
Thanks Stout for your thought!
I will check with suppliers here in Norway fir availsbillity and price. Also if it is soneone who can do service on either myred Konis or Bilsteins.
'67 911S Sunroof, Polo Red(Project disguised as a G-model)
'67 912 Sunroof, Light Ivory(Alive and kickin')
'67 912 SWTarga, Signal Red(Project in the making)
X: 67 911 Coupe + 67S Targa, 912, 924, 944, 928, 356
My 67 came with Koni when new. So I have no experience with Boge or Bilstein on this car. That said I just changed from SWB 3.0 to LWB 3.5 S Koni struts and went with the stiffer middle setting. I stiffened up the rear settings as well. I run 19/24 T bars and 15/15 sways. The car feels compliant to me.
What I find interesting is the car is much smoother going over dips and speed bumps than the softer setting I had before.
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