What weight did the ST Repsol brothers have?

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I think these images are not published. I don't remember where I got them but from the title I know it's from a Spanish place! As soon as I find it I attach origin

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I would also like to ask. These ST brothers came with the rear parcel shelf in chrome? In 1970 they came in chrome as shown in this photo and in this other photo?

In this other we can see the clear difference in colors having the two examples.

if so...why does the 1151 currently have a "black" one and not a "chrome" one? And if so... who was in charge of this restoration? Was it done in Porsche?

roll bars on the other side...?

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Thanks Hughh
So the "ALPINCHE" has a 2.5 ST engine?
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I think I have misunderstood, the mountaineering engine has an R engine from another colleague, nothing to do with these S / T! Is there a graphic document of the VIN 49 or the accident? salds
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I would also like to ask. This vehicle is the one from Eladio's accident. The Rented to Egreteaud. Me, I don't have much ideas about engines... What can be said about this engine that you see?

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ceasing to be correct and asking uncomfortable questions….?Eladio's accident. THE VEHICLE PASSED OVER ONE DAY AFTER THE ACCIDENT. There are three photos that show us how the vehicle looked. The vehicle that belonged to Egreteaud and whose engine was in good condition...was that engine a 2.5 or a 2.2?
Why did the owner of the 51 say that the 49 engine had been removed after the accident if there had never been an accident? Is the owner registered in this forum? Having one of these vehicles, I suppose that he would also have better information than me and any other person.... Why say it? Who was advising him? According to Lencina, the 49 was destroyed in a fire and not in an accident... So... how many 49 existed? Where is your engine? And where is his chassis? The Porsche says that Eladio destroyed it. The museum or whoever plants 51 as the original and only survivor (having various things other than the original 51) and knowing that the stories are wrong. Jurguen participated in the investigation of this car if I remember correctly, something that catches my attention is that he also investigated the previous chassis, the 50.... with x-rays and all the paraphernalia.... And chassis 50 (without reference to the ST) I would like to ask... at that time when the 50 was restored... was a 72 911S or a 72 st replica more profitable?

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I would like someone to record in this post why it is known that the two Repsol brothers were twins. In weight... in motor...! Why is this known? And in what file is this data displayed? Did someone check the file for 49 and see something there that said it was a light vehicle? Yes, in the case of 51. "Rallye" is noted in the "magic" book... and that's where it is known that it is "light"... how do you know this information about 49? Does anyone have access to that file?
**rereading... It is understood that the 51 also had an engine improvement from what is observed in the construction sheet as I explained in previous posts Huhhg

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things I don't understand... in this video, we can see the 911 with the 911S badge and with the "correct" chrome grille.... Why in other photos is it presented with the black grille and without the badge?


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Is the 911 replica the one we see in this video with the chrome rear grille and two mirrors...?
It is curious because in this vehicle... the anti-roll bars are correctly placed....
the age of disinformation?



attending to this announcement... what we would be seeing in the video... Would it be the "replica" but with a more correct appearance than the "original current vehicle"?....
https://www.rmd.be/getcarpdf.php?c=198


From this image... It should be understood that as the "owner of the vehicle" said, vehicle 51 has the engine of 49. My question is how and why? Where did this engine come from if Lencina says that the vehicle was destroyed in a FIRE?



that unit... disappeared in a fire, as Lencina says. How is the engine located in chassis 51? And where did the original '51 engine go?
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An added fact... when the ST was registered in Spanish traffic, I think I remember it was in 2001. That would coincide with the fact that the owner at that time would be Leon De Cos, who died in 2008.
https://www.soloporsche.com/xf/index...a.3966/page-62
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clarify concepts about the replica and the original... Three exhaust outlets or two? ...According to my perception...The original is the one with "only two" exhaust outlets...But until now I thought that these images that I show were of the original car? So... am I wrong about some things?
https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...ghlight=repsol

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If this is the original vehicle... why does the clone have more exact details? "Correct" roll bar "Correct chrome"? And if this were the original vehicle... What we were shown in the video of "Stelvio" "two mirrors" would be the replica even if it has a more correct appearance?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnv5nd5Du_N/

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the correct vehicle...had the correct chrome rear grille...and when the report was made for the porsche...is it black/incorrect?

I'm green looking at the replica so I may be getting confused on the identification.... In the Porsche article... What is the REAL 1151 vehicle? The one with the 3 exhaust outlets? If this were so... Why put the chrome grille on the clone and not leave the correct one on the correct vehicle? What am I missing?

"The Z stands for Zollkennzeichen.

Great story as always about Repsol, but this time you fall short, you don't go into much detail about them or about the 2.3 ST.


First that they were not 2.2 liters, that was the base, the new 2.2 engine of the 911.


The type 911/02 engine was upgraded to 2.3 liters with a high R/C, racing pistons, competition crankshaft, Carrera 6 shafts (906), 46 Weber carburettors with magnesium trumpets and a Magnetti Marelli double ignition.
In addition to countless exotic materials to lighten the body and roof panels were of a smaller gauge of steel, finer.
You could choose them with a narrow or wide M491 body, which is what Repsol did.


A masterpiece that could stay at 840 kg for 230 hp. from 1969/70! And with an exorbitant price to match...
Ben Heiderich (who you do not name either) as a semi-official Porsche importer (Madrid/Marbella) was in charge of negotiating directly with Porsche motorsport, there were very few 2.3s available as you mention, barely twenty (21/23) were only for racing teams. competition and special clients, apart from the official Werks like the one from Larrousse that took the Tour de France as one of the great victories of the 2.3.


The fact is that powerful gentleman is gift money, Ben told them that they did not want one but two! And he put the 8 million pesetas in cash on the table for Porsche, we already know that when they see a lot of bills their eyes widen and they approved it, it was no small feat, with 8 million in 1969/70 you could buy several new flats in the center of Madrid or Barcelona.


Greetings."
https://www.soloporsche.com/xf/index...a.3966/page-62

I would like to ask. I made the change to DM from pesetas and I think it is a figure that could be worth two ST 100%?
This would be a good comparison "invoice"?

A vehicle with the inflation of two years (example of 72)... It would cost 33DM more or less... we could multiply this number by two... It would give us around 70,000DM.

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"At the end of the summer of that year, Ben Heiderich takes a plane, goes to the Porsche factory in Germany and meets with the general director of sales to whom he expresses his desire to be the company's importer in Spain. The Porsche importer in that moment in our country is a very strong group economically, Seida, but Ben wants to be helped, he knows that he is small, but he also exposes to his interlocutor a dynamism and a desire to work that are taken into account and the Porsche import for Spain it changes hands, Heiderich is the new importer; representation granted, according to him, out of sympathy more than anything. Be that as it may, Ben Heiderich has just obtained his first import license, and from Porsche no less."
https://www.pieldetoro.net/web/brico...hp?brico_id=73

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According to this article, the eight million budget was distributed as follows: 1,050,000 each Porsche and two trailers that cost 160,000pts. Where is the missing money? And what trailers are we talking about?


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https://www.4legend.com/2018/luftgek...ur-un-rooftop/
"Son propriétaire, Nikolas Knoll, possède deux Porsche 911 ST 2.3 Repsol, l’originale et une copie. L’originale se reconnaît de l’avant aux quatre projecteurs Cibie et l’absence de crochet de remorquage. A l’arrière, les deux 911 ST 2.3 sont quasiment identiques sauf au niveau de l’échappement : l’original est équipé d’une troisième sortie d’échappement."

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The pilot (Dep) Leon De Cos
looking if it is related to S / T vehicles.

Are these two images the same color scheme? The back in an image is painted black and the stickers have changed the angle a bit apart from the disappearance of the "puma" on the back (this may be due to a photographic defect) of little importance ..... It is cited that this vehicle is the 1151!
http://misporschesaescala.blogspot.c...l#comment-form

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in comparison with the current and old images and taking into account that the De Cos vehicle is 1151. We observe that "the position of the roll bars changed". They go from being as they were originally and the crossbar changes position. Therefore I would like to ask since the 1151 did not have "accidents"... What leads you to change the anti-roll bars of the vehicle?
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How would it be possible that the vehicle's zoll plate when it was with Leon De Cos was older than the vehicle's own zoll plate when it arrived in Spain?

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Leon De Cos Detail in Roll_bar

https://wp.pasionporsche.com/2006/07...rafica-1974/2/

Between those images the change occurred.
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the order of the zoll plates... Do they have order? I have seen another photo in which the date would not match the vehicle. I understand that the zoll license plates were random or what order did they follow?


"911R"
http://www.pilotos-muertos.com/2013/BorraganJavier.html

The windshield has also changed position....
Are the ones in these pictures the same vehicle?


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"Frenchman Jean Egreteaud, from whom Repsol had rented many cars, gave us a tour with his new 911S with a 2.5 engine. We had enough to beat Etchbers. rm"

Umm... if it is a Repsol vehicle, I must understand that there are documents and its identification must be clear. What vehicle is this from Egretaud quoted as 2.5?

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What are the black extinctions on the fenders for? They remind me of the ones that the repsol vehicle had. Where are the Egretaud cars?... How many "ST" did he have?

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VIn 49.



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Let's go with the frontal detail in the vehicles. The front support... In this image we can see that the two vehicles originally carried it on the front.

complicated and I suppose that in some images the support is not observed due to low quality... but, I would like to leave these images as a journal entry?...

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We also found a difference between the vehicles in this image. We can see that in one of the vehicles there is a sticker on the hood. A sticker shown in detail above. Apart from the difference in the sticker (and the colored stripes) we can see the black line on the front bumper.

I also want to ask... the 49 has the black "chrome"?

not having had an accident before... and being identical cars made by the factory, what could this change be due to? Any breakage of all the headlights?

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I would like to ask again about these vehicles, what information is there about "that they were twins"? It is said that they were the same and that he forgot to write it in the record book. I agree with that, but where does this information come from and what is it based on, words or documents? Has anyone managed to see the build sheet for 49? We have managed to see the sheet of 51 that, according to an explanation they gave me some time ago, had written there the "what had happened" due to engine modifications (I think I understood that), could that indication also indicate the modifications to the chassis to lighten weight? Where, in that year, was this "light chassis" data recorded apart from the record book? On the other hand... there are several (I think) errors in the history of these Repsol brothers. Starting with the collection of the vehicle, we also found that the accident was "with another vehicle", it was not (I think) with the 49... despite the fact that the story "said" that Eladio had caused an accident in that vehicle, another story It says that the vehicle had caught fire but according to what I have been able to see in images etc... None of these stories (from my point of view) seems to be true. So, in that story that Porsche itself told on its page. That is true? If we start from the photos shown of the accident where it is shown that the vehicle that was injured by Eladio was the Egreteaud vehicle.
On the other hand, I read the story that these vehicles were also accompanied by two trailers, according to the article written in 2017. These two vehicles cost €6,000 each (in pesetas 1,050,000), the trailers (in pesetas, each one 160,000)
to change, in theory (55,350 German francs for one s/t) I think
The article mentions that Eladio rented a Porsche for Ruiz-Gimenez and an R8 for him from Egreteaud.
The article mentions that the vehicles were collected in Germany. They had to shoot them between Madrid and Orense and now I want to stop here and ask.
Perhaps the two purchased "trailers" have something to do with this matter? Maybe they moved the STs on those same trailers? Or due to the license plates do we know that they came rolling? Perhaps here is an interesting part of this story. The license plates corresponded to the S/t? Or the trailers? The trailers should also have registration? And if so, should they also be "provisional" license plates?

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I attach a new photo and description:



"The Porsche 911 S of the Repsol Team made their debut at the IV Rallye de Orense, on June 28 and 29, 1970. The number 1 number went to Alberto Ruiz-Giménez and Rafael Castañeda, who ultimately won the Rallye. Rafael tells us. : "Alberto and I went to Stuttgart together to look for him and from there we went straight to Orense. We lowered the Porsche off the trailer at about 100 km. from Orense so that Alberto could get acquainted with him a bit..." Photo Belay."
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...98.-2207520000.

On the other hand, I would like to ask again, was it common to change the roll cages? If we look at the transverse arm of 9869. In the "old" images it can be seen in one way and in the "less old" ones in another. Was it common to change them? what was it for?

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the two vehicles before painting the characteristic lines of Repsol

comparison

Based on the position of the bonnet latches, I would say that they are the same vehicle... but there are other details that indicate that they are two different vehicles. At the beginning (from the factory) the two Repsol vehicles had the locks in the same place...?
In the image we can see that the chrome of the headlights have changed. There they could have also changed the position of the bonnet closures I suppose...
Was there a frontal accident with this vehicle?

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"Parc fermé, III Rallye 500 km. Nocturnes Bujías Bosch (Alicante), 22 and 23 May 1971. Alberto Ruiz-Giménez inside the Porsche 911 S of the Repsol Team looking at something in the frame. Manuel Juncosa and Estanislao Reverter are also watching closely. On the right, Antonio Freire "Ventura". The rally would be won by Ruiz-Giménez and Castañeda. Reverter and Ventura left due to a broken suspension on their Porsche 911 R. A few days later they sold the 911 R to Humberto Rodríguez."

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid...47714170729877