major fraud in the classic porsche business in Germany

[bob joyce]

kinda like going to a movie
a huge bomber flying over
bomb drops to ground
all you here in the audience is a pop corn fart..................

[911MRP]

While I don’t know all the ins and outs glad I put “innocent until proven guilty” in many of my comments on this thread about this evolving story given how this has all concluded.

Imagine it will be rather awkward between Barth and his former employer if they were indeed a co-plaintiff as is being reported by press. However perhaps on balance less uncomfortable than if the court had found guilty of the allegations a man who was so prominent a figure in authenticating so many important Porsche road and race cars for Porsche and its customers over so many years while he was an employee.

One shadow at least has lifted that had been looming over classic Porsche market with this outcome. I wish all the parties who were vindicated well.

Steve

[patrick911]

But hang on, is not proving something vindication?
Imo, the fact the court or prosecution can't prove the fraud, doesn't automatically mean that the 2 defendants are innocent.

[911MRP]

Innocent until proven guilty

I don’t know about the facts of this case or about legal processes in Germany but would the above principle not apply like it would if it were trial in England — in Scotland somewhat unusually there is a “not proven” verdict available in some proceedings. There is a wiki page about not proven under Celtic law for those interested in the nuance. However “not guilty” and “not proven” verdict are both an acquittal in Scotland. How does it work in that part of Germany where this trial was held that’s all that matters in this case?

I imagine if I were a high profile defendant in a case that was dismissed by judge I’d probably claim I’d been vindicated in court.
Steve

[moito]

.but very positive at least for JB- - hopefully he will get some reparation.

i deeply hope not...i`v seen several of those cars in question...just sad to see how greed destroyed those cars-(some of which at least had an original frame) but incorrect parts everywhere.they used whatever they had in the shelfes or could get for cheap...all built to maximize profit...shame on all of them involved....

[Veronica87911]

And the other 917-043 is here in Philadelphia at the Simeone Foundation Museum; Daisy (pre accident) is in the background
Daisy and the Hippie at the Simeone_S.jpg

[LongRanger]

. . . No solid evidence has been provided in the trial days so far . . .

. . . still some haggling in the courtroom about what kind of fine the defendants should be given, as there was at least suspicion of criminal offenses . . .

. . . The 77-year-old Porsche icon, multiple winner for the luxury brand and later also race director and brand ambassador, was even banned from the premises by Porsche - as a co-plaintiff in the proceedings. At least an apology is probably due . . .

Reputation --- and integrity . . . don't require (or survive?) adjudication

Being anywhere even CLOSE to a mess like this says enough for me





Icon, schmicon




............................