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    Are ICE's doomed by EV's and Autonomous Vehicles?

    Elon Musk is forecasting fully autonomous vehicles by the end of this year. As we all know, EV's are beginning their geometric growth curve that will continue for many years. It's fun to speculate about a future that I probably won't be around to see so let's have at it. Random thoughts in no particular logical sequence. Putting emotions aside and looking at things from a purely logical point of view...

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    It won't be necessary to own a car. Uber and I'm sure others will have driverless cars and you just summon one when you need it. Matter of minutes. Why mess with owning a car yourself unless it's for some special purpose?

    The ICE is doomed. It's loud, noisy, messy, inefficient, requires a lot of maintenance and, worse of all, very slow. A fast Porsche goes to 0-60 in what, 4-5 seconds? A common Tesla can do it in less than 2 seconds. There's no spooling up with an electric motor, 100% of torque is available immediately. And electric motors need very little maintenance and they last a long time.

    New generations will probably just shake their heads at how primitive ICE's were, kind of akin to Stanley Steamers. Will our beloved Porsches retain value as curiosity collectibles, or will they just kind of fade away?

    The fossil fuel based economy that we have had for hundreds of years is gone. Lots of uses as petro-chemicals but no where near the demand that drives things now.

    Elon Musk, with his company X, will become the world's first trillionaire. [Digression] I'm fascinated with our Mr. Musk. He appears to be one of the all time geniuses that the world has ever produced. His prodigious mind and his prodigious activities are positioned exactly at the nexus of some of our most important technology developments: the end of the fossil fuel era and solar energy development, autonomous vehicles, colonization of outer space and Artificial Intelligence. It's all real, it's all here and progress is accelerating exponentially. And Musk has the ability to fully understand these and other complex issues, and their implications, and a preternatural ability to synthesize a number of them into a cohesive and working whole. [/Digression]

    A lot of lost jobs with truck drivers becoming obsolete (notice how human beings are steadily becoming obsolete as tools of production?).

    That's just a small taste, be fun to talk about.

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    1... When there is accessibility, the better technology always wins
    2.. The "car" will always be coveted. The "car" is freedom....
    3..... Art has always been appreciated ..... Porsches are functional art..
    34 Elon Musk IS the MOST significant humanbeing on the planet.
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    Nothing to do with ICE's or Musk but technology just keeps moving forward (well most of the time)

    Here is an example

    1st the Team NZ 2000 Americas Cup Boat

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    Now our Team NZ 2021 boat.

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    Both boats had/have men (Grinders) on the winches however in 2020 they winched rope. 20 years later they pump hydraulic fluid that feeds pumps for sail and keel(s) or (dagger boards)
    In 2020 we had a boom along the foot of the sail, in 2021 it is boomless and the foot is held to the deck of the boat by (its top secret) but believed to be magnetic pads on the deck and on along the foot of the sail.

    Oh and another thing, how may of us have had a fright when an electric car has come up behind us when being a pedestrian or an electric scooter for that matter, I dont know about everyone else but i like being able to hear my dogs barking when i am nearing my driveway, especially in the 911.

    My how things are changing
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    I'm waiting for someone to figure out how a seal or shark can move thu the water as fast as they can...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob joyce View Post
    I'm waiting for someone to figure out how a seal or shark can move thu the water as fast as they can...
    The shark because it's hungry and the seal because it doesn't want to solve that problem for the shark. Motivation is everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveFromNY View Post
    The shark because it's hungry and the seal because it doesn't want to solve that problem for the shark. Motivation is everything.
    haha

    To funny JP

    I had similar thoughts going through my head when a wild pig gave up chasing one of my dogs and decided to run after me instead.

    Pig's can't fly or climb trees luckily.
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    Porsche says its synthetic fuel will make internal combustion as clean as EVs

    https://www.autoblog.com/2021/02/23/...lRkXGxJJMuDytY
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    Nice discussion to get going John!

    The fact that a number of major automakers have ceased R&D on internal combustion engines is a pretty clear indication of the end of new internal combustion engine vehicles. The fact that nearly 400 pre 1905 motor vehicles participated in the London to Brighton Veteran Car Tour in 2019 is also a pretty clear indication that collector vehicles are not going away anytime soon.
    I am enthusiastic about the current transformation of the transportation industry, change is good and inevitable. However, it is up to us old dudes to make sure that young people are exposed to old cars... take a neighbourhood kid for a drive, let a 5 year old sit in the driver seat one day, teach your 16 year old (son, daughter, niece, nephew) to drive your early 911 or another old car you own. Turn on the enthusiasm to keep the wheels rolling.
    And the kid with the noisy Honda with wheels that have 6 degrees of negative camber and tires that don't fit, is also an enthusiast in his/her own right, they deserve a thumbs up every now and again from an old enthusiast in a car that they know is super cool but is out of their reach (for now). Enthusiasm spawns enthusiasm...
    I'm pretty sure internal combustion engines will still be running long after most of us are gone.

    If you want more insight into the shift in transportation and you have an hour to spare, this is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-kbzfWzvSI
    Cheers,

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    I'm always thinking of all the revenue the cities and states will loose from no more speeding tickets, illegal parking, moving violations, etc. and where those funds are going to come from.
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