Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 39

Thread: to embezzle an engine - the strangeness of disappearing units

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Senior Member haul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    bavaria
    Posts
    2,333

    to embezzle an engine - the strangeness of disappearing units

    To Tell A STORY OF AIRCOOLED BUSINESS
    Or
    How my engine got lost in a workshop in Swabia


    When my slategray 65 got home after the extended summer holiday and thousands of miles on the roof rack, she felt tired and was really happy to get the cooler autumn breeze around its air filter. I told my love, well, it seems we might need some rework on the engine to surely make the next 100thousand of miles. Over the winter I looked for alternatives and possible shop recommendations. It turned out, the waiting line for a rework was about one year, so the next season was a sure miss.

    While turning newspapers, online offers, telephone calls, I got a note from a friend, who told me, that a senior Porsche sales guy, formerly living in Düsseldorf, had retired and now lives back in his hometown in the black forest. He was already in his 80ies and he knew of him selling the rest of his collected cars, his left over spare parts, and, he had an early 65 engine in his shelf.

    As I had a meeting in Strassbourg the following days, I could reroute and had a very pleasant meeting with the old gentleman. A car guy from former times, testing your knowledge, checking how deep is the water on the buyers side. He finally showed me his left over 616/36 engine, euro heater, june 65 built , intended for being used with one of his 356.

    It was a key-turn ready complete unit, with engine tins, correct Solex carbs, linkages, Knecht airfilters, euro heat exchangers, muffler. Plug & play.

    The engine looked clean, the solex carbs fresh, no dirt of extensive usage, supposed to have clocked about 900 km. The negociations turned out with fairly no possibillity to deal on the price, but rather on getting some add-on parts out of his shelf.

    Some 30 km of this location is a known aircooled workshop, at that time nearby newly built on the green lawn, in the outskirt of a small Swabian town, not far from Stuttgart. We knew the owners, the children, the workshop, as the ESR rally had a visit there, and we were all happy and in good mood to stay over for some hours, getting served some refreshments. So my first approach was, to give them a call and ask them, if they could do a hot swap with the engines: I come with my 65, bring the “plug&play” engine 2 hours later and they do have one week time to get the engines swapped, set up the carbs and get the slategray rolling again.

    Of course and happily they agreed to the deal.

    The day came, the 22nd of June, action day. All went smooth and nicely, sunny weather, not too hot, everything as easy as wished might be. The 29th I picked up my slategray in decent running condition, but as it turned out later, the Solex P40II had not been reworked, so the central shaft had some play, which made it nearly impossible to set them up correctly. Nevertheless, it ran, the engine had perfect pressure …so off we drove in the sunset.

    It was agreed, that the tired “hot swopped” engine would come into storage, as there was plenty of space and to lift the engine on the roof rack was not an option. So the complete unit, with all the components attached, was put again on a euro palette and safely stored.

    The next spring, Corona already made its way. I had telephoned before in order to ask, if everything was ok, if I should take my old engine unit out of storage, if they do need the space. I met them at the Stuttgart fair, where they had a booth, talking, exchanging nice words, compliments to the choice of cars. Also there: are any troubles, no, all fine, we do have your number to call you, if anything would happen.

    Due to Corona there had been all the registrations, the lockdowns, the prohibition to drive privately around, so there had been merely not the right time to pick up the engine. Stay safe at home, had been the motto of these times.

    I cleaned up, sorted all the stuff out, like we all did, made space for the unit to be picked up.
    This Monday I gave them an early morning call, that I would drop by Tuesday morning in order to finally pick up the engine. It is a three hour drive to their place.

    The secretary was some kind of strange and the owner of the workshop said he can not remember, but finally admitted: yes, true, ya….I´ll look for it. I called back 20 minutes later and reported the engine number to them:”…just in case….”. I do not get a return phone call the complete afternoon and at 1730 I thought, well, and rang through.

    I got the shop owner on the phone, who said: “I cannot find your engine… we do have a 912 engine in the storage, but this is not yours, with different carbs and else.” My reply was quite amused, the storage is not that large, the engine unit not that small, to get lost in between some sheet metal. “I ll give sou a call tomorrow, let me check again!”

    The next morning at 0900 the expected call came, but still, nothing to be found anywhere in the workshop. He would call the lady in charge, “…..she is in maternity holiday, but she knows everything about it…..we did reorganize the storage …”…Again, a complete engine unit does not disappear, unless…….?

    Wednesday I gave him time to think over it, to ask everyone involved, to work out on a solution plan. Today, after my 2nd morning coffee, I gave him a call. Again the irrated secretary and on the line: a slightly nervous and aggressive shop owner, who started right away with frontal attack: it is not his fault, he is not to blame, he was always against it, to store the engine!!!! The mechanics told him, that I had picked up the engine!!!
    I am now trying to make a profit out of the situation! He is not the one to be sued.!!
    “what do you want now?”

    I expected this reaction, as it was obvious from Monday, that anything had been in total disorder. The engine has disappeared out of the storage.

    I urged him to find a way, any way, as he knows the whole week about the situation. I told him, that I expect him to make any suggestion, how to compensate about the loss. The easiest would be just to find the engine.

    How to find a solution now? The shop owner was in such denial, that he could not think solution orientated, he was in complete regression of facts and lost in his “static behaviour mechanism”.

    What would you suggest now to do?
    Bring in lawyers, go to court….?
    Go check on site, search in the storage?
    How would you value the “lost engine”, complete, running, but tired.
    With all engine tins, Weber carbs, heat exchangers, muffler…
    This was the engine that came with the car…is there any evaluation of value loss for the car?

    Remember the story which took place in Switzerland….the guy in Aachen,
    The mass betrayal, fake cars, swap of engines, parts, certifications of well knows race drivers…


    br
    haul
    59 750 pre unit triton
    63 650 gray silver bikinitub triumph thunderbird
    70 650 astralred silver triumph bonneville
    65 912 slate gray "erwin"
    73 914 ravennagreen "ferdl"
    erwin_loves_polo

  2. #2
    Midnight Runner popowitz's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    West LA
    Posts
    1,004
    Definitely get legal counsel and the lost value of the car should be added to the lost engine. Neither is as valuable apart as together. I'm truly sorry for your troubles.
    Registry Member #1583
    '73 911 S Aubergine (VIN#9113301295)

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by popowitz View Post
    Definitely get legal counsel and the lost value of the car should be added to the lost engine. Neither is as valuable apart as together. I'm truly sorry for your troubles.
    I agree get legal help and find out where your engine went. With legal pressure I expect them to remember what happened, it’s a relatively short period. Last resource is posting your engine number and or asking who bought a 912 engine from them in the last year?

    I hope you find it.

    Richard
    searching for engine (case) 903742

  4. #4
    Senior Member haul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    bavaria
    Posts
    2,333
    update - 1 -


    i called late afternoon, 15 minutes before shop closure. at least he took the call, but immediately started again to act strange-he feels intimidated by me, I would threaten him with my phone calls - he will not accept this! I do come now after two years and want my engine back! he takes every time now he needs to clear the situation! he will not get pressured by me!!
    If I want to sue him, he will sue me too, because I blackmail and threaten him.

    I again tried to calm him, as he got more and more erratic, as if he was playing in front of a crowd!! he wanted to justify himself and trying to turn me into be the agressor! claims and falsifications!

    My wife did listen as a witness.

    I went straight into: „I dont think that you have anything to hide, so it might be worth an attempt to come on your site and look in your storage. Maybe we both will find it. Could this be a possible solution? That we both look and search?“

    He agreed to a date on site on next monday morning…
    59 750 pre unit triton
    63 650 gray silver bikinitub triumph thunderbird
    70 650 astralred silver triumph bonneville
    65 912 slate gray "erwin"
    73 914 ravennagreen "ferdl"
    erwin_loves_polo

  5. #5
    Senior Member uai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Horb a.N. Germany
    Posts
    2,561
    If you find the engine - give me a call I could leave homeoffice at 17:00 hrs and pick it up - then you know at least where it is. I wouldn't leave it there if you find it.

  6. #6
    Senior Member 9er's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Adelaide Australia
    Posts
    831
    The visit on Monday morning where you will hopefully be able to calmly discuss face to face and get an explanation and then a resolution.

    I hope it all goes well.

  7. #7
    OMG, I was not aware ... I can just imagine your pain and distress ...
    Member #2768 http://www.no-speedlimit.it

    • 1973 Biancaneve - 911 2.4 S/F Ivory
    • 1977 Fiona - 911 Carrera 3.0 Oak Green Metallic
    • 1993 Bellatrix - 964 Turbo 3.6 Black

    I keep a registry of 1972 and 1973 2.4 S coupé chassis. Infos always welcome!!!

    Instagram
    Twitter

  8. #8
    Senior Member haul's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    bavaria
    Posts
    2,333
    - update 5 -

    to give you some update…

    you remember, in the last episode the spoiler had been: „the engine tins are gone, but I will provide new ones…..“

    I did not pressure the workshop, as they have sooooo much work! of course, its in the middle of the season, money is as cheap as never before, cars value is up again and rising

    I received private PM‘s, whatsapp, phone calls and else notes on offering help and on getting the core engine immediately back home. Thank you for this.

    I really do appreciate this.

    As I had already calculated with the worst, not to be a victim of wrong expectation, I spiritually seperated from my engine and thought: well, at first it was attempten embazzlement, but if he tries now tricks, its obvious betrayel….and my lawyer, who is a Porsch‘ addicted 964 collector, is keen on bringing him to court.

    But to come back….
    He asked me to give him time up to Friday, the 28th of may. I gave the workshop a call the following tuesday, the 1st of june, after lunch. I was announcing to the secretary, that I will show up the next morning in order to pick up „my stuff“. In a very nice swabian accent I was asked to hold the line, to get the following news: „it‘s not yet ready for pickup!! You will be informed by the „Chef“ when it will be ready!“ Some forth and back asking…but same swabian friendly answer.

    I had other things to clear, rearrange dates, check on other items, like NOS Solex carbs and stuff, discussed with my lawyer. Agreed to give him time. The longer it takes, the more he drives the carriage in the dirt….

    Today, the 9th of June, I gave the workshop again the post-lunch call. The son of the owner, who is working also in the company was on phone. We do know each other, I did spend a bottle of champagne for his mastership on finshing his job education years ago. He felt umpleasant me having on the phone and reached me directly over to his father.

    „Ah no, its not done, but I know, I have to. There is sooo much work here in the shop“…..“When do you want to come?“

    Very friendly I was asking him to prepare everything on a palette and then give me a call when it‘s done. By the time tomorrow I do want to receive some pics of the status quo of the engine, all sides, to get a impression of what its like….

    „I will do so latest in the afternoon…..“
    he promised and I wished a nice rest of the day…

    End of the episode ….spoiler alert…
    59 750 pre unit triton
    63 650 gray silver bikinitub triumph thunderbird
    70 650 astralred silver triumph bonneville
    65 912 slate gray "erwin"
    73 914 ravennagreen "ferdl"
    erwin_loves_polo

  9. #9
    All that gives me stomach ache ...
    Member #2768 http://www.no-speedlimit.it

    • 1973 Biancaneve - 911 2.4 S/F Ivory
    • 1977 Fiona - 911 Carrera 3.0 Oak Green Metallic
    • 1993 Bellatrix - 964 Turbo 3.6 Black

    I keep a registry of 1972 and 1973 2.4 S coupé chassis. Infos always welcome!!!

    Instagram
    Twitter

  10. #10
    Xavier Petit-Jean-Boret Xavier PJB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    France
    Posts
    3,476
    Haul, need a hand, some hands ? I agree with Massimo, that makes me sick too (but that not helping much)
    O-G 26 - Early911S 2407

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Message Board Disclaimer and Terms of Use
This is a public forum. Messages posted here can be viewed by the public. The Early 911S Registry is not responsible for messages posted in its online forums, and any message will express the views of the author and not the Early 911S Registry. Use of online forums shall constitute the agreement of the user not to post anything of religious or political content, false and defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise to violate the law and the further agreement of the user to be solely responsible for and hold the Early 911S Registry harmless in the event of any claim based on their message. Any viewer who finds a message objectionable should contact us immediately by email. The Early 911S Registry has the ability to remove objectionable messages and we will make every effort to do so, within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary.