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    Yes but the paperwork has the English word crash in it That is an exact copy of what is recorded
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    Quote Originally Posted by HughH View Post
    Yes but the paperwork has the English word crash in it That is an exact copy of what is recorded
    ok.. so nothing got lost in translation

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    Quote Originally Posted by HughH View Post
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    The shell would have started with a production number. That would be necessary to begin fabrication, even in the R&D workshops. However such a vehicle is much more likely to have begun its life on the normal production line and then transferred to the R&D area as a rolling shell without engine or gearbox or full trim - like most production car based race cars were. They were then modified and fitted with the correct parts in the race shop or the R&D area

    The vin numbers are almost last to be added to a car on the production line so it is possible that at the stage we can see in the photo only a production number would be allocated to the shell (and an inventory number)

    So far a crash testing, MOST of the cars used would probably have a vin. It is possible than some only had a production number but the objective of a crash test is to test a fully done car and it is likely that other tests were done with cars before they were destroyed in a crash test. I have seen a number of references to cars destroyed in what were likely to be crash tests and they had vins. However the language used in the documentation is often confusing as similar language is used for cars that are "deconstructed" to check for damage / wear etc after being used as a test car - ie trying to test them on the rough test track (named the "Panzer track") until they break, or accidentally destroyed in other testing. Wording like this is noted against a late 1972 vin number "verschrottet (Crash) lt. HM Versuch 25.10.73" . I dont know if this was a deliberate crash test or an accident while testing a car.

    One thing is sure - Porsche in those days was very frugal in the way it operated. It sold ex race cars to factory friends as well as ex R&D cars and even sometimes upgraded old race cars to new specs. I cant see it "wasting" a perfectly good shell that we see in the photos

    out of the context of this question. It was common to name "tracks" as "panzer" X...I see you name a "test track" with the name panzer. In Pforzheim there was a "circuit" called Panzerbahn, slaloms were run there... I suppose it would be a road. I understand, was that name common or could we be talking about the same place? I understand that not. Since these tests would be done in some Porsche area? Who was in charge of performing the crash tests at that time? The porsche itself?


    Perhaps it was an accident on a road called Panzer as you indicate? How many exist today?

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    sorry for the big offtopic

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    Quote Originally Posted by moito View Post
    i`v owned one of the very first cars that ruf built and homologated as RUF (i.e. ruf automobile as manufacturer written in the title) a early g- body ..it did not have a vin but a production # when ruf got it. after homologation it got a so called TP number stamped in TP stands for Typ Prüfung..
    i`v taken this car apart for restoration and noticed that it has had several funky colours prior it went to ruf --i also found traces of carpets (glued to the inner rockers and rear seat pan )in to me unknown colours and materials(ruf did not spend much time to remove those befor they painted it) so it assume it was used as a colour and trim mule..
    hmm great info! I hope you took pictures of those little details! Greetings

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    Quote Originally Posted by moito View Post
    question... would this car have a VIN? ---- probably yes--maybe not
    I'm assuming the owner is Porsche itself ----who else should have been the owner other than the factory
    but would I count this as an "asset"? ----up to you
    Or since it is something "that is not even a prototype" it lacks a VIN, documentation, "inventory" number, etc.?----it is what it is...and if it still would exist ,and up for sale , it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it
    seen a bit of the porsche world. What do I know? It could be a personal car and no longer a Porsche... It could be a vehicle in the name of a third party.... Porsche never used for its "prototypes" vehicles delivered by other owners that were used as part of payments? What happened to those vehicles? Did they resell? Or is there a case of a vehicle that has gone "to prototype/improvements" or similar without being from the assembly line... I think there is a case. Although I don't know if the case I know of the vehicle belonged to the pilot, I think so. I will look at the history of the ST converted to the following model. But by that I mean.... There is the possibility of seeing photos of this type and that the owner was not the Porsche itself (because I did not change the name for some reason) or worse... That it was a used vehicle for a few months or years...I think
    obviously this is not the case since it does not even have a running gear! But, from my point of view.... It never hurts to ask even the most obvious!
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    ¿Were these flares used? They look similar to the ones in the picture.
    Are these widenings (S/T) or made by a runner?
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