after being armed w/ the knowledge from this board I ended up not buying the set of Fuchs I wasthisclosetobuying. Turns out 1 of four was proper w/ pn's and fox head...all 3 other's had only 15 x 6 stamped on back. Hopefully I will get my deposit back as seller just left the wheels for me to pick up and I was to slip the $$ under his front door. I really think he head no idea but it doesn't matter. Thanks again .....!