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  1. #601
    Quote Originally Posted by idart View Post
    . . . Kudos to this great thread and thanks to LongRanger for the detailed photos...IMO the best on the web for Porsche plate frames . . .
    Thanks, i! I have a lotta fun putting up these posts

    I kinda stumbled into the whole 'collecting' thing --- after having seen/noticed some of the frames that would turn-up on cars @all the various shows that I was going to. Dealer frames are something uniquely American, and a pretty subtle detail that --- for me, anyway . . . adds a special little 'period' touch --- especially when its from a Dealer/place that I've never heard of. Anyway, when I started looking for these, the first thing I noticed was that there weren't any decent references --- let alone picture/descriptions . . . of these frames, or even who these Dealers were, + where/when they did business. But --- once I found out about the PDLs . . . I was fascinated by all the places and names where Our Cars were sold. Been collecting 'em, ever/since

    Now? --- I post whatever I find --- including a coupla my 'donkeys' . . . so anybody who goes out looking for these knows at least as much as I do



    Quote Originally Posted by idart View Post
    . . . very, very few period-photos of Vasek Polak plate frames actually mounted on Porsches . . . Since the photo is B & W, I’m not sure if the plate insert was yellow or green (I believe both were made - two color versions posted here as examples). Any thoughts to the color used on this Porsche in this B & W photo? . . .
    Sorry, i --- I have no idea. I've come across a few Dealer 'inserts' over the years, but, without some kinda period photos or descriptions to reference, I've never been sure what these would've looked like --- or when they were used

    Have enough trouble just ID'g some o' these pesky frames!




    Quote Originally Posted by idart View Post
    . . . I believe the Porsche Audi metal frame was made up until 1974 or 1975 when it was replaced by a black plastic Vasek Polak Porsche Audi frame and then updated versions in the 1980s and 1990s . . .
    I mostly/only collect stuff that I believe would've been used on Longhoods --- <~'73 . . . so/again, I have no idea




    I will say though that I've been told by Jay the Frame Guy that Robert W Brown &Co was in business 'till ~'79. Whether or not they were supplying VP (or anyone) w/ their products --- and when . . . is a interesting question

    One of the things that I've noticed is that there are some features that turn up on all of these early-'70s frames --- bars, dashes, pluses, shields, rings, etc . . . but? . . .

    . . . not consistently --- especially after 1970

    VP is --- IMO . . . especially variable = problematic. Not only was this dealership in business for decades --- before + after 1970 (so there have been literally thousands of these circulated over the years), but there have also been multiple/multiple versions produced . . . and --- IMO . . . not all by VP (or 'in-period'). We're fortunate that the 700-mile 911S has its original VP frame --- to show what's what . . . at least for 1970. For how long that specific style was used? . . . no idea

    And as to when frames were switched from metal to plastic construction? . . . again --- no idea



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  2. #602
    Great details – thanks much.

    Do you know the year when Vasek Polak moved from Manhattan Beach to Hermosa Beach? When the Vasek Hermosa Beach dealership location opened, did he keep the Manhattan Beach location for a race shop?

  3. #603
    1973 – Wester Porsche Audi






  4. #604
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjtbt View Post
    Hey Longranger, been looking for this plate for some time.
    My 70 911E was sold there and would love to put it on the back.
    Is this available for sale?

    Thanks,
    Bud
    Don't know how desperate you are Bud but I have one from Merlin-Olsen Encino which is what it became after Gabriel Olsen

    Pm me if you're interested
    Porsche taste on a Volkswagen budget...

  5. #605

    Vasek Polak Addresses

    Quote Originally Posted by idart View Post
    . . . Do you know the year when Vasek Polak moved from Manhattan Beach to Hermosa Beach? When the Vasek Hermosa Beach dealership location opened, did he keep the Manhattan Beach location for a race shop? . . .
    Hey, i --- here's another post . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by LongRanger View Post
    . . . Vasek Polak (Porsche Audi from '70)
    Originally (from '59) . . .
    356 South Sepulveda Blvd
    Manhattan Beach, CA


    Moved sometime between '64 and '67 to . . .
    199 Pacific Coast Hwy
    Hermosa Beach, CA


    Another really famous Dealer. Mechanically-gifted Czech ex-pat --- came over as a refugee, basically . . . got into Porsches early, made his bones running/tuning Carreras, scraped enough together to open the first Porsche-only US dealership in '59, yadda, yadda, yadda . . . .


    WAY more, here . . .
    http://www.vpracing.com/index.html

    . . .

    In some ways, Polak was prolly the original One True Porsche Collector. I mean --- he was pulling 4-Cams outta cars decades before anyone even thought they were worth anything. His dealerships' display windows on PCH were filled w/ 908s, 917s, 935s --- even CSLs . . . long after the cars stopped racing . . . and not because they were valuable. When I first went in to his store --- ~'79? . . . those cars were just dusty/nasty relics = worthless

    But not to him

    And as the years went by, those displays with those cars only grew --- both in size + remarkability + f*cking-amazingness

    And when he passed? . . . . . . . . 'garage sale' = frenzy



    Anyway, please consider the dates given above as more 'outline' than testament

    I think he was the same with his business addresses --- think 'real estate.' Polak came to this country with the shirt on his back and the brains in his head, and subsequently built his whole business from the ground up with his bare hands. Old School Tough. From the few things that I've read and in talking with some few people who dealt with him, Polak appears to've been highly acquisitive --- I don't know if he ever sold anything for convenience --- he had a brand-new 3-year-old BMW stuck up in the rafters that I tried to buy = 'no discount' . . . so I would regard any address changes or dates with some care. Any retail space on PCH was stupid-valuable --- even Back Then. And Polak didn't need the money --- didn't care about money, anyway . . .

    . . . or any competition

    Does seem that he moved the Porsche store several times . . . but perhaps only to install another of his dealerships into that location? --- I'm thinking BMW or SAAB? . . . or just used the real estate for over-flow or used car sales

    The best accounts regard time/place would be from the people who bought their cars there --- the ones' where all these dealer frames came from . . .

    . . . but only a few accounts . . .


    . . . and no picture, yet



    Jeez --- I passed by the place for years . . .




    . . . never took a picture





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  6. #606
    Thanks much…

    The reason I was asking about the Manhattan Beach address is that the VP Racing Brochure from 1976/1977 is odd since it still lists the earlier address. A Vasek Polak advertisement from 1973 shows two showroom locations (BMW and Porsche + Audi) and I believe this may be the Hermosa Beach address.

    More on the green VP inserts…

    The plastic Vasek Polak insert in the B&W photo appears to be the version with Robert W. Brown printed at the bottom. There was a different version for sale on Pelican a few years ago that has Ben Romer at the bottom with slightly different font...likely a later production.










  7. #607
    Here’s a 1969 BMW Service book that has the BMW dealership at their Manhattan Beach address. Manhattan Beach could be the dealer showroom in the left-side of the 1973 Vasek Polak advertisement with the right-side showing the Hermosa Beach showroom.

    If this is the case, Vasek Polak likely phased out the Manhattan Beach Porsche plate frames by 1969.






  8. #608

    Robert W Brown & Co Addresses

    Quote Originally Posted by idart View Post
    . . . The plastic Vasek Polak insert in the B&W photo appears to be the version with Robert W. Brown printed at the bottom. There was a different version for sale on Pelican a few years ago that has Ben Romer at the bottom with slightly different font...likely a later production.



    Interesting . . .

    . . . a new/different address

    Quote Originally Posted by LongRanger View Post
    . . . Never seen this before . . .

    ROBERT W.BROWN CO.
    8241 PHLOX ST.
    DOWNEY, CALIF.


    . . . their actual address . . . .
    Last edited by LongRanger; 06-20-2017 at 04:39 AM.

  9. #609
    Thought this might be of some ancillary interest. My '68 912 came from Vern Hagestad dealership. Was hoping to find a license plate frame (s) but came across this on the 356 Registry:

    "Vern's son Bob has been in the Dallas area since 1988 and owns Metro Volkswagen located in Irving, Texas on Highway 183 near DFW Airport. Two of his three sons have been in the business and one of his sons is now President. Bob is Chairman. Bob told me several years ago that unlike most VW and/or early Porsche dealers they did not have license plate frames, but did attach dealer badges to the engine lid or rear valance. "

    After that I came across this on the Samba:

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    Even though it was missing last two letters, I thought that maybe the lady recommended by Live From New York might be able to make the last two letters and fix the badge. Then I cam across this:

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    Figured that the two could be combined by the "Badge Lady" (Maxwell). One of those little projects I was going to do that after the 911 gets finished. After all that and despite representation by Vern's son I came across a plate frame from Vern Hagestad on the Samba. However, it was for VW. Wondering if there was also a Porsche plate? Be that as it may, this dealer badge was affixed next to the license plate on the sheet metal and I'll do that. Set at a 45 degree angle. I think one appears on that tan '66 911 that Seinfeld sold at auction.
    Last edited by doigthom; 06-21-2017 at 05:00 AM.

  10. #610
    Quote Originally Posted by doigthom View Post

    Figured that the two could be combined by the "Badge Lady" (Maxwell). One of those little projects I was going to do that after the 911 gets finished. After all that and despite representation by Vern's son I came across a plate frame from Vern Hagestad on the Samba. However, it was for VW. Wondering if there was also a Porsche plate? Be that as it may, this dealer badge was affixed next to the license plate on the sheet metal and I'll do that. Set at a 45 degree angle. I think one appears on that tan '66 911 that Seinfeld sold at auction.
    I would imagine that Vern Hagestad had plate frames with the Porsche logo as the dealership sign included one in 1966.

    Cool plate!


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