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    Well, in the mentioned page 103 there is written „Fribourg 1970“ and the suisse 911,
    so I assume it is Fribourg en suisse and not „Freiburg im Breisgau“ „Schauinsland“
    but I could also find not dates for this race..

    but anyway the Abart is a nice race car
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    Quote Originally Posted by haul View Post
    ... so I assume it is Fribourg en suisse and not „Freiburg im Breisgau“ „Schauinsland“
    Was there a motorsports race course in Fribourg?

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    Apparently a little confusion on the spelling by Mr. Thais

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    I think that the two Abarth periscopios and the Porsche on the trailer in the earlier post with the Valvoline Racing team stickers can be identified. Kurt Federhofer raced an Abarth at Mont Ventoux on June 22, 1969 as #31 and Heinz Wengert was in Abarth #33. Werner Ruefenacht was there with a 911T and was part of the Valvoline Racing team.

    Gerard Larrousse was at Mont Ventoux as well in #94, a 1969 911S with license plate S-L 2263.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon B View Post
    Paul Frere has a chapter devoted to these cars in his book The Racing Porsches; A Technical Triumph.

    For the '67 Ollon-Villars event, he said that Mitter won in the aluminum-framed 025. Stommelen drove the steel-framed 030.
    At the final event at Gaisberg, he said the cars were exchanged and Stommelen in 025 beat Mitter in 030.

    In his usual way, the 910 hill climb cars are described in great detail, even with changes and developments from race to race.

    Jon B.
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    Jon,

    Thanks for the reference to Paul Frere's book. I picked up a cheap, slightly coffee stained copy and enjoyed reading about the technical evolution of these racers.

    Here are a couple pictures from the 1967 Montseny Hillclimb showing the preparation of 910 030 and 910 031

    -Eric

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Gratz View Post
    Beautiful shots of the 910 Bergspyder from the summer of 1967

    Source: Urelfer.ch website

    http://urelfer.ch/2016/11/28/porsche...lished-before/

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    I have been doing further research on these cars. I think that there are actually 4 cars shown -
    -the two cars that were used most of the season for Mitter (910-030) and Stommelen (910-031) which are the ones with Black roll hoops but more importantly with front oil coolers thru the front hood and "full bodywork", and
    - the two new cars for the event 910-025 and 910-0?? which had oil coolers at the left hand rear (which you can see in the photo with the bodywork off with the mechanics hands on it) as well as cut down bodywork at both the sides - no sills - and the rear. They had the silver / white hoops and you can see the oil cooler in the first picture on the one with the red identification


    I think that the two older cars were used as T cars for the event (and as a comparison) and the new ones were the ones actually used in the event. If the new ones with the different body and cooling systems (and the case of the Mitter one a different much lighter frame) had not worked properly no doubt the others would have been the backup plan
    here is a better picture of both at the event and another picture of Mitter's from the RHR side in the event

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Gratz View Post
    Jon... Thanks for the reference to Paul Frere's book. I picked up a cheap, slightly coffee stained copy and enjoyed reading about the technical evolution of these racers.
    Yes, his books are excellent for technical reference.

    I was quite involved with Bergspyder 910-032 in the 1980s, although by then it had been restored with a standard 910 body.
    It was raced by Porsche in '67, and then sold to Otto Zipper in '68. It was driven by Scooter Patrick and Don Wester, then by Alan Johnson for Don Burns, and then by Bert Ohlander for Vasek Polak.
    When Vasek Polak owned it, it was modified with a wedge-shaped body. It was later restored with standard 910 bodywork.

    I'm on the left in this photo, at Laguna Seca, in the 1980s.

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    Acropolis Rallye 1953-1981

    Enjoy the following documentation about the Acropolis Rallye, especially the airfield race 1968 at minute 22:30 and 1969 at minute 25:50.
    Claudius

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    Quote Originally Posted by HughH View Post
    I have been doing further research on these cars. I think that there are actually 4 cars shown -
    -the two cars that were used most of the season for Mitter (910-030) and Stommelen (910-031) which are the ones with Black roll hoops but more importantly with front oil coolers thru the front hood and "full bodywork", and
    - the two new cars for the event 910-025 and 910-0?? which had oil coolers at the left hand rear (which you can see in the photo with the bodywork off with the mechanics hands on it) as well as cut down bodywork at both the sides - no sills - and the rear. They had the silver / white hoops and you can see the oil cooler in the first picture on the one with the red identification
    Hugh, I think the photos posted by Eric on page 202 are actually from two different years- both the '67 and '68 seasons... Eric?

    The cars with black roll hoops were the '67 models: 025, 030, 031 and 032. At Ollon-Villars, Mitter drove 025 and Stommelen drove 030.
    The articulated rear spoilers were first used in '68 on two new cars: 034 and 035. Furthermore, 025 was updated to '68 specs and re-numbered as 033!

    Scarfiotti, the former Ferrari driver, was killed at the '68 Rossfeld event in 035.

    Jon B.
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    I have been digging out photos of all of the 910 and 909 cars in 1967 and 1968 European hill climb championship inspired by the posts on this thread. I have most now (missing mainly some Italian ones).

    The 67 Ollon-Villars event was the first one that they used the cars without the front oil cooler (LHR instead) and even more abbreviated bodywork. I have a number of different photos known to be from that event (and the next one at Gaisberg) that show this configuration. However the race numbers 196 for Mitter and 197 for Stommelen seem only to be used at that event. So my theory is that the two older cars (black hoops) were brought along as T cars, or spares in case the new cooling configuration did not perform as expected. The actual cars used are the ones I posted a couple of posts up.

    In 1968 they were not at Ollon-Villars but at Sierra Montana Crans and by that time the cars had two independent rear flap wings giving them a sort of variable rear suspension depending on which way the corners went, and oil cooling on the left hand rear. So they are all definitely 1967 photos.

    As an aside, given I have now dug up photos of the cars from so many of the events (with help from Eric) I was thinking about doing a separate thread on that series over the two years showing the evolution of the cars and linking it to this thread... but then again it may get consigned to "off topic" or similar as they were all 8 cylinder cars
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    Hugh, you may be right about all four cars being at the '67 event.
    I'm mainly relating information from Frere, who only mentions 025 and 030 being run there.

    He does mention new developments at Ollon-Villars, such as the cutaway "miniskirt" side panels, but doesn't mention the more complicated rear spoilers or oil coolers.
    He does also mention the use of two independent spoilers in '68.

    Jon B.
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