Combo Headlights: H4s and Early 65-67 Lenses???

[bob tilton]

Can the early style 65-67 lenses be combined with the H4 assemblies? If so, where to buy the early lenses?
I would like to retain the bightness of the H4s but have the look of the early sloping bug eyed lenses. I assume the entire early headlight assemblies are not as bright as the H4s.

[roblav]

Yes - my 66 car has Hella H4's with the original covers. My old 67 car also had H4's (forget which type) with the original covers too.

[ttweed]

Bob-

I think I have still seen the early replacement lenses in the catalogs (Tweeks, Performance Prod., etc.) They are still made for VWs, at least.

TT

[pwd72s]

One way to go with the SWB cars is to place 7" round H-4 lights behind the original clear glass covers & rims. Here's a great source for lights, bulbs, relays, etc. Daniel knows his stuff on lights.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/

[Jens]

Bob, these are Cibie buckets with NOS Marchal Amplilux H-1 lamps. I'll go with BIG bulbs and Marcus Sucro's relay kit and

LIGHT UP THE NIGHT!

No need for auxilliary lighting with these.

You can get the H-4s replacement lamps in a sealed beam or the replaceable bulb type for bigger bulb capacity (relays mandatory for bulb life).

[mjmoran]

I have also seem something that looks pretty nice is using the H1 bucket and an early lense from a 356 or beetle. From a casual look it looks like a 65-67 euro set, then you can see the different reflectors of the H1 assembly behind. Gives a cool different look...I was thinking about trying it out myself...

[NeunElf]

Can the early style 65-67 lenses be combined with the H4 assemblies? If so, where to buy the early lenses?

It's not clear whether you're trying to use H4 bulbs with the European-style non-sealed beam headlights (with a fluted pattern in the front lens) or you want to replace 7" sealed beams in the American-style units.

Either one is possible, but the solution is different.

You can buy H4 replacement lights for 7" sealed beams from several sources and put them in the American-style assemblies. These take standard H4 bulbs.

- or -

You can now get H4 bulbs with a non-standard base which will replace the Tungsten filament bulb in the European-style assemblies.

Either way, adding relays will protect your expensive headlight switch and turn signal/high-low beam switch.

[bob tilton]

I appreciate the advice everyone.

I have H4s on the car now but like the look of the sloped back bug eyed clear lens like on the early 66 912s. The lens has the 19 20 21 designations. I would like to combine this lens with my H4 assemblies. The tweeks catalog does list a clear lens and bucket but they have the tabs and no hole at the bottom. I don't mind taking my dremel and drill if it is a straight "bolt in" in process.

This is the look I like, what is the deal with the center orange bulb? Note the tabs:

[pwd72s]

Bob? Contsact the Emory's...they built the car in your pic...

[NeunElf]

I have H4s on the car now but like the look of the sloped back bug eyed clear lens like on the early 66 912s. . . The tweeks catalog does list a clear lens and bucket but they have the tabs and no hole at the bottom. I don't mind taking my dremel and drill if it is a straight "bolt in" in process.

This is the look I like, what is the deal with the center orange bulb? Note the tabs:

The ones with the tabs on the bottom are probably VW headlights (which are essentially the same as 356 headlights). On VWs and 356s, the screw that holds the headlight to the car goes through tha tab. On 911s, the screw goes through the bottom of the rim.

That center orange bulb is the parking light on many VWs and 356s. The VW units aren't really a great fit, won't look quite right, and the headlight adjusting range might get to be a problem.

The original 911/912 headlight unit is part 901.631.101.31 which used to be widely available. Stoddards still lists them for $ 138.20, but they're currently out of stock.