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Thread: 1973 Carrera RS Cars for Sale

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    Looks nice. Be interesting to see what the market values a third series car that did not get m471 or 472.

    At the significant price point they will hope to get the engine second digit being 3 not 6 so putting it in the S range may be a point of note for some buyers. Arguably there could be many reasons: human error stamping when engine new, maybe engine swap to very similar number S , restamp requires somepoint in life for some reason or maybe even some special reason to do with case material homologation? Haven't checked the various FIA papers but I don't recall reading this example being mentioned in the silumin aluminium is homologation by its explicit chassis number. Doubt anyone knows or will ever know why has this strange motor number one digit adrift from the RS range format for sure. The bottom line is factory official records probably have it as being originally assembled with motor 66xxxx not 63xxxx. Other source I have seen in addition to the usual RS reference books record its engine as RS typical 66xxxx, not 63xxxx.

    This example was built at time after the first 500 and 500 more homologation models were weighed certified using the now famous two stage processes, so apparently ordered as single step (not earlier base order and declining subsequent) without the m471/2 as the RS base spec. Didn't therefore pay the small supplement beyond base RS for M471 and bigger supplement for M472 spec. Assembled onetime at a time when RS production had been simplified and converged more like the process as T/E/S for reasons of efficiency and cost.

    Photos show: Fibreglass bumper not the more typical third series steel without rubber of later m471, sticker not crest after m471 had adopted crest iirc, probably less shutz than what is usually seen on RS built in third series judging by the absence of it rear legs, the different engine case material mentioned in prior posts, Presumably no thinner RS homologation body panels if that inventory exhausted, no need for the impractical 165 front homologation tyres, etc ?

    Leaving aside for moment condition, ownership that affect value.... It will be interesting to see it go under the hammer as it might generate interest just from law of small numbers being circa 7? leaving the factory without m471/2 in that last RS series. Circa 17 without m47* overall across the three series.

    Intriguing....

    Is it car with documented special homologation role beyond those circa 1000 early examples that for certain are documented as playing a role in achieving the homolgations or just an uncommon configuration the result of Dutch purchase cannily minding the money buying one at the lowest priced variant for an RS on the prevailing price card?
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    Save some money forgoing some m471/2 frivolities especially if selling it on to racer rather than to keep? Getting an RS cheaper than an S Targa before Porsche was still learning that "price for less, can be more"?

    Is it a very special exemplar engine for the FIA process requiring a special stamping number for late series special homologation purposes or just a one digit mistake or some other scenario leading to what seems to be mismatch to vs factory build numbers reference data?

    Don't know personally but I suppose the people bidding and ultimately the person writing the cheque at the auction gets to decide with their own money.

    Whatever the auction decides it was the cheapest RS option back in the day according to the pricelist but somehow doubt that will be the case now. Likely "price for less, can be more"?


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    Steve

    I’m pretty sure there is a thread on this very board about this engine stamping and possible reasons for the ‘wrong’ number. If I remember correctly I’m also sure that it is the original engine to the chassis. Can’t find the thread right now but sure it’s under ‘homologation’ or ‘silumin’ header.

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    FS: @AtlantisMtrGroup - '73 RS 1364

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    Atlantis Motor Group, Riviera Beach, Florida
    1973 Porsche 2.7L 911 Carrera RS Coupe
    VIN: 9113601364
    Engine: 6631329
    Trans: -
    Color: Light Yellow/Black
    Mileage: 68,971 km (indicated)
    Price: US$699,000

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    Dealer Description:

    Concourse restored 1973 Carrera RS M472 Touring One of 1,308 M472 Carrera's produced. All numbers matching.

    - Rallye Monte Carlo Racing History.
    - Impressive ownership history.

    Finished in original colors of light yellow on black with black Carrera script Original drivers side and passenger side sport seats. All original body panels. This car is a multi year Concourse restoration to the highest standards.

    The car was originally delivered in Germany to Dr. Heisse & Co. with a stamp on the Fahrzeugbrief dated June 8, 1973. The original Fahrzeugbrief document is included. The car was purchased on October 1 of 1979 by Wolf-Hendrik Unger who is currently president of the German Carrera RS club. Mr. Unger drove VIN 9113601364 as an Assistance car in the 1982 Rallye Monte Carlo for the private entry of Juergen Barth and Roland Kussmaul, The team finished 10th overall. The original Rallye Monte Carlo Assistance plate and period photographs are included with the vehicle.

    The vehicle then travelled to ownership in California and subsequent sale to a Porsche collection in Japan for long term ownership.
    The car was imported to England by classic car specialist Gregor Fisken before being sold by Porsche specialist Maxted-Page & Prill in October of 2008 to an owner in Germany.

    The car was purchased by the current owner in 2010 and has been the subject of comprehensive restoration to Concourse standards. The car has only break in miles since the completion of the restoration.
    Doug Dill

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    Early 911S Registry #548

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    FS: @WaltGraceVintage - '73 Carrera RS - 0181

    This car has got some history . . .
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ght=9113600181
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...l=1#post735037
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...l=1#post823701
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...181#post826761
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...181#post826859
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...181#post860487
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...181#post860488
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    Walt Grace Vintage, Wynwood, Florida
    1973 Porsche 2.7L 911 Carrera RS Coupe
    VIN: 9113600181
    Engine: 6630191
    Trans: -
    Color: Tangerine (Orange - originally Signal Yellow)/Black
    Mileage: -
    Price: US$725,000

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    Dealer Description:

    Number 181 is among the earliest of the Touring models built. Porsche’s Certificate of Authenticity confirms it was constructed in the first batch of 500 cars between September and November of 1972, although like most 911 Carrera RS models it is listed as a 1973 on the COA. It was recently restored in Europe by a marque specialist, and is reported to be in excellent condition. Having left the factory in Signal Yellow, it is currently finished in equally eye-catching Orange over a fresh Black leather interior.

    In 2015 the original engine was located in Sweden with injection system intact and disassembled, rebuilt, installed and tuned by well known Porsche engine specialist Drew Slayton in South Carolina. Furthermore, the original engine's number, 6630191, matches the certificate of authenticity included with the car.
    Doug Dill

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    FS: @Gooding 2018 Monterey - 1973 911 Carrera 2.7L RS Coupe - 0574

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    1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7L Touring, Lot 121
    VIN: 9113600574
    Engine: 6630579
    Trans: 7830563
    Color: Bahia Red/Black
    Mileage: 57,922 km (indicated)
    Auction Estimate: US$700,000 - $800,000
    Sold for: US$638,000

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    Auction Description:

    PROVENANCE
    Original Owner, Italy (acquired new in 1973)
    Symbolic Motorcars of La Jolla, California (acquired by 2011)
    Current Owner (acquired from the above in 2011)

    LITERATURE
    Dr. Georg Konradsheim and Dr. Thomas Gruber, Carrera RS, chassis no. listed on p. 374

    THIS CAR
    According to the authoritative work Carrera RS by Dr. Thomas Gruber and Dr. Georg Konradsheim, this lovely example is one of just 245 RS 2.7 examples delivered new to Italy and one of just 42 examples finished in the gorgeous color of Bahia Red. The Carrera RS book also records the car’s original equipment, including sport seats left and right that were upholstered in black leatherette with corduroy inserts, and a limited-slip differential. As chassis 574, this RS is relatively early in the second series of production. The second-series examples, very similar to the first series, retain the thin-gauge sheet metal and other lightweight features that were eschewed on the later third-series cars.

    After its time in Italy, this RS made its way to Japan, where it remained until it was imported by Symbolic Motorcars of La Jolla, by 2011, and sold to the consignor that same year. In current ownership, the Porsche received a bare-metal repaint in the correct single-stage Bahia Red paint. This work was condcucted by Custom Cars Unlimited, a Chicago-based firm that has prepared cars for the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance®. During this process the car was stripped and the craftsmen relayed to the consignor that the RS’ body was in excellent condition. The car has since remained well cared-for in the consignor’s esteemed Porsche collection, which includes other important Rennsport models housed in a climate-controlled facility. In his care, the Porsche has been maintained by Continental Ferrari, Napleton Westmont Porsche, Porsche of Monterey and Olsen Motorsports, which recently carried out a full engine-out service. The RS is accompanied by books, tools, and service records and is fitted with its matching-numbers engine per its Porsche Certificate of Authenticity.

    It has now been 45 years since Porsche produced the RS 2.7, one of the most important and sought-after sports cars of all time. Well cared-for and desirably optioned Carrera RS models infrequently trade hands on the open market, making this car’s availability a particularly exciting opportunity. Of all the early 911 variants produced from 1964 to 1973, the Carrera RS 2.7 figures as perhaps the most historically important and iconic model, as it is the platform from which many more powerful and significant competition 911 variants emerged.

    Striking in its factory-specified Bahia Red livery, highlighted by the stylish Sport Seats and its limited-slip differential, this desirable second-series RS 2.7 Touring would make a fantastic addition to any collection, as an exceptionally versatile and rewarding sports car. It promises both visceral performance and acclaim at marque gatherings, in addition to being one of the most revered and imitated Porsches ever built.
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    Doug Dill

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    Not sure if this has been covered here ?

    Not mine no affiliation
    https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C986077

    http://porsche911rs.co.uk
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    Quote Originally Posted by 911MRP View Post
    Not sure if this has been covered here since details are sketchy.

    Not mine no affiliation
    https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C986077

    http://porsche911rs.co.uk
    If anyone captures the VIN, please post it.
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    viper green..

    Very odd (font) looking engine number....and that number should be of car 0995, build in 4/73. Curious which VIN this one has indeed.

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    That's a suspicious looking VIN stamp...at least to my eyes..
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    You are not crazy Stacy.

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