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    Quote Originally Posted by 210bhp View Post
    Lots of sepia showing which might indicate originality but I wonder if it still retains its original thinner panels all round.
    Of note is that in the sepia photo there's an antenna on the passenger side fender, but no antenna on the current photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwrm4 View Post
    Of note is that in the sepia photo there's an antenna on the passenger side fender, but no antenna on the current photos.
    Extended ( partially) in this photo when car was still sepia brown
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    911 360 0285 ?

    I have a set photos of what was said this safari rally RS vin 285 in very rough condition before it was restored in Germany.
    For example these show vin and motor stamping are among the more extensive set I have:
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    Not the clearest or best angle in these old images but still quite informative.
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    It is the motor number I’d expect to see but perhaps not the usual factory stamp font?
    It had Kenyan-issued license plate, KPU 539 references on the for sale blurb.
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    Since 0285 is being offered for sale seems appropriate to list this link in this thread since it was set-up specifically for “1973 Carrera RS cars for sale”:
    https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...can-wilderness

    It along with the sister safari rally car vin 0288 were among the last of the Carrera RS built shortly before the end of calendar-year end December 1972.

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    Marked as (recently) “sold” by Kidson so technically probably not for sale but maybe still worth capturing it in this thread even without price.

    Vin 9113601039
    Motor 6631016

    Pictures and info in link
    https://kidston.com/motorcars/1973-p...ra-27-rs-1039/
    but before it disappears:

    “This Porsche Carrera RS 2.7, chassis ‘1039’, was completed in March 1973. Its Fahrzeug Auftrag (‘vehicle order’, or Kardex) form dated 11 March 1973 simply lists under Sonderwunsche (literally, ‘special wish’) ‘C07’, signifying an Italian market 911. In total, 245 Carrera RS 2.7s were exported to Italy.

    In line with its status as a no-thrills driving machine, Carrera RS ‘1039’ had just one set of options: left- and right-hand seat headrests. The car’s colour was Blutorange (Tangerine), ref 2323.

    The car was registered MI S74516 on 11 July 1973 to its first business owner, transport company Lombardia Distribuzione Merci SpA of 16/3 via Fantoli, Milan. On 9 May 1975 ownership transferred to Giulio Ratiglia of Biella, some 100km west of Milan but the car retained its Milan plate. On 14 July 1975 the car was bought by Ruggero Pederzini of Modena and the 2.7 RS registered in Italy’s ‘Supercar City’ as MO 369869.

    Pederzini kept the car for just over year when, on 26 October 1976, it passed to Armin Silbernagl of Daverio, a province in Varese. The car was re-registered VA 503259. In June 1979, famous dealership Achilli Motors sold the car to another company, Citiemme SpA of Nuoro in Sardinia, where it bore the registration NU 92648.

    The sixth owner was Cesare Cavallini, who bought the car on 5 June 1981, registering it in Milan again, MI 14226N. Milanese architect Gianni Zenoni became the car’s seventh owner on 11 January 1984. He kept it for nearly 30 years still registered MI 14226N, and on 19 November 2013 it was exported from Italy.

    In recent years the car has been maintained in fine driving condition and a recent inspection by Jochen Bader confirmed its matching numbers. The paint was mostly original, but the interior had been restored. For those wishing to join the ‘2.7 RS Club’, this car is the perfect ticket to admission.”
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    A definitive, era-defining car

    The word ‘Carrera’ has a magic to it for Porsche enthusiasts. It is the mark of a high-performance Porsche, from the exotic, four-cam production 356s, to the racing cars of the 1960s.

    With its fat rear arches – to accommodate wider 7in Fuchs alloys – and a wind tunnel-tested rear spoiler, the homologation-special Carrera RS instantly stood apart from lesser species of 911. And under that famous Bürzel (‘ducktail’) sat a special 911 engine with Nikasil-lined cylinders allowing it to be bored it out 2,687cc.

    Coupled with Bosch mechanical fuel injection, power was a solid 210bhp and the gain in torque was such that at just 2,500rpm the 2.7 matched the old 2.4 motor’s output at 4,000rpm.


    From initial concerns that the car wouldn’t sell (many were allocated to senior management as company cars…) demand outstripped supply to the extent that by July 1973 when production ceased, far more than the 500 the required for homologation as a Gp IV GT racing car had been built.

    The car was available in two regular versions: M471 Lightweight and M472 Touring. There was also a more modified M491 2.8-litre RSR purely for racing. Whichever was ordered, its performance was electrifying: the Touring sprinted to 60mph in 6.3 seconds and would nudge 150mph flat-out. The full-on Lightweight was fractions faster and benefitted from slightly sharper handling and braking thanks to better weight distribution.

    With the 300 SL ‘Gullwing’, E-type and F40, the Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7 is a definitive, era-defining car. It is also widely considered by the world’s most experienced drivers to be one of the most exhilarating ever to drive.
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    A few minor observations:

    March seems early completion for vin 1039 while they weren't built in strict vin sequence and can’t see the paperwork referenced I would have expected April completion based on other information I have.

    The accessories pictured in the listing are almost certainly not the correct ones or of the type it would have had originally in 1973.

    Also the official figures in the blurb quoted for standing acceleration to 60mph are perhaps conservative. Autocar a respected magazine founded and in print continuously since the 1890s were known to use fifth wheel and to take accurate performance measurements got an actual 5.5 sec 0-60mph time for an early M472 Touring complete with stereo eight track and electric aerial in 1973. The standing acceleration figure compare it to some of the highest performing road cars of era were reported as follows showing the flat 6 Carrera RS held its own against some v8 and v12 that were generally at a higher price to purchase initially and or expensive on their four star (vs two star) fuel consumption:
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    Steve
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    Quote Originally Posted by fourteenten View Post
    VIN Reference = 9113600170
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    Quote Originally Posted by 911MRP View Post
    I have a set photos of what was said this safari rally RS vin 285 in very rough condition before it was restored in Germany.
    For example these show vin and motor stamping are among the more extensive set I have:
    IMG_2627.jpg
    Not the clearest or best angle in these old images but still quite informative.
    IMG_2623.jpeg
    It is the motor number I’d expect to see but perhaps not the usual factory stamp font?
    It had Kenyan-issued license plate, KPU 539 references on the for sale blurb.
    IMG_2626.jpg
    Since 0285 is being offered for sale seems appropriate to list this link in this thread since it was set-up specifically for “1973 Carrera RS cars for sale”:
    https://www.classicdriver.com/en/art...can-wilderness

    It along with the sister safari rally car vin 0288 were among the last of the Carrera RS built shortly before the end of calendar-year end December 1972.

    Steve
    VIN References:

    9113600285
    9113600288
    Peter Kane

    '72 911S Targa
    Message Board Co-Moderator - Early 911S Registry #100

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    9113600285 - very interesting car with a great history. I met Uwe Kurzenberger many years ago. He is a perfectionist and I know from his stories that he restored the car with an incredible amount of attention to detail. The sister car (288) is also in his possession. I got him the correct recaros for 288 at that time. I'm curious to see what price the 285 will ultimately achieve.

    regards uwe

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    Uwe, Seats that were part of the set of photograph of RS 0285 at time before restoration in Germany:
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    Steve

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    yes, exactly. thanks for the pictures. In 288, the original seats were no longer included when the vehicle was found. Uwe then wanted exactly the same as in 285 - i.e. without rivets, without cross brace... For example, I remember him telling me that he spent a long time looking for the 100% original black tape that secured the lenses of the additional headlights. I only have a clue about seats, but I believe that the buyer of this car will get a very original, restored car.
    regards uwe

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    Specialised rare cars for example those thought to be factory rally cars need proper due diligence and specialised expertise to confirm provenance. The photos I have (judging from the surroundings) were taken when it was at a German specialist. There are many interesting modifications including strengthening throughout. Details I’ve not seen in typical 73 RS — taken at face value those things might suggest car in photos had at one time had a high level of preparation anticipating use at a tough event. Be interesting to watch the sale of carving he link.

    Steve
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