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    Was in a classic magazine i thumbed through this week but no longer listed in the dealers site stock — sold perhaps?

    It’s very late M471 Sport so what my friend calls a “heavy lightweight”

    Steve
    Last edited by 911MRP; 06-08-2023 at 04:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 911MRP View Post
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    Was in a classic magazine i thumbed through this week but no longer listed in the dealers site stock — sold perhaps?

    It’s very late M471 Sport so what my friend calls a “heavy lightweight”

    Steve
    VIN Reference = 9113601528
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haasman View Post
    I had never heard of this before
    The strengthening of rear tunnel done exclusively on RS model didn’t start until about two thirds way through October 1972 so obviously some of the first 150 wouldn’t have had this particular feature. That rather contradicts the claim. If strengthening was not introduced from the get go then clearly some of the first 150 couldn’t have had the rear strengthening! Roughly 20 RS were built before end October 72 so even if all those didn’t yet have the strengthening it seems reasonable to assume thereafter the remainder generally did. It even continued into some of the G-Series 2.7 Carrera. So why claim first 150 only got strengthening? Or maybe they’re referring to something beyond the well known strengthening to rear on chassis of RS and into G series Carrera 2.7. References with faculty access tell us strengthening on RS chassis happened in October 72. Incidentally, the rear control arm strengthening for RS was late October 72 but the arm is not what comment refers to. If making claims that the first 150 had special strengthening the dealer should be very specific about what the strengthening claimed for just 150 is — factory evidence is important to substantiate such dealer comments. As the myth-busters kids TV programme my son used to watch when he was young used to say : “myth busted”

    As for the better quality rear lid for the first run of 150. Hard to see how that could pragmatically be the case. My understanding is Porsche made GRP parts also there were several subcontractors used for the glass reinforced plastic panels on the RS and there were reports of Porsche struggling with quality issues on the RS GRP panels. The real world isn’t usually that neat and simple. For example: In Germany the regulators had objected to the rear ducktail requiring various workaround for the early RS examples delivered in that market, Porsche played various games with regional authorities and reportedly shipped some ducktail lids to be fitted aftersale by dealer in German market. A rather messy by-exception logistics process that would rather put some additional steps into the rear lids supply and uncertainty about allocation to a chassis I suppose. For these reasons I would doubt the first 150 were examples were better quality lids. All these factors to me dosn’t suggest a neat and tidy process whereby those first 150 cars each got factory lid of known superior quality. Rather more likely a lesser quality when learning how to meet quality standards and when done depended on the German service network fitters rather than the factory singular controlled process. Somehow hard to believe a consistently higher quality a try that early stage of the unusual RS project. Again if there is evidence from factory and hard proof I’d be interested they see it.

    Can’t say “ myth busted” for the claim about lids but for those real world pragmatic reasons I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the earliest ones required rework, until the factory’s quality-management interventions brought these parts under quality control to get right first time such that the process of assembly could ramp-up in volume. Maybe ones requiring work to fix is what’s considered now better quality? The aluminium frame in ducktail was used well beyond the first 150 so claim can’t be referring to that? What is it that the dealer thinks was superior about just these first 150?

    Just my tuppence worth. Sceptical because I know first hand the world of automotive operations and it is not easy particularly as new models with new innovative parts are being introduced using new build procedures that need to be proven before ramping to full build rate.

    I’d be interested to see hard evidence ( factory datapoints) that support either if the two claims in the sales listing — I’m always open to learn when facts hard evidence support it.

    Steve
    Last edited by 911MRP; 06-08-2023 at 10:30 AM. Reason: Clarification and typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by 911MRP View Post
    Was in a classic magazine i thumbed through this week but no longer listed in the dealers site stock — sold perhaps?
    It’s very late M471 Sport so what my friend calls a “heavy lightweight”
    Steve
    March 2018 - First posted as for sale by William Loughran, Ltd.
    April 2019 - Listed for sale on Classic Driver
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    William Loughran, Ltd., Hawthorns, Gill Lane, Preston UK
    1973 Porsche 2.7L 911 Carrera RS Lightweight
    VIN: 9113601528

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    September 2018 - For sale on Hemmings for US$595,000
    Engine block number(?), 1974 Flag Mirror among other items.
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    RM|Sotheby's Marlborough House Auction, London, UK, November 5, 2022
    1973 Porsche 2.7L 911 Carrera RS
    VIN: 9113600388
    Engine: 6630415
    Trans: 7830383
    Color: Orange (originally Sepia Brown)/Black
    Mileage: 71,159 km (indicated)
    Auction Estimate: £325,000 - £375,000 / US$363,795 - $419,760
    Sold for: £342,500 / ~US$389,680

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    Auction Description:

    - An excellent example of Porsche’s most famous and desirable homologation 911
    - Engine overhaul and update completed by Autofarm in May 2022, with around 5,000 kilometres driven since
    - Offered for sale with Porsche Certificate of Authenticity, issued in September 2017
    - Certified by FIA Historic Technical Passport, valid until December 2027
    - Owned for 30 years by ardent Porsche collector, Philippe Aunay, former President of Porsche Club France, and his family
    - More recently owned by Josh Sadler, Porsche devotee and founder of marque-specialist workshop, Autofarm
    - Appeared as a feature car in French and British magazines including CAR, Classic & Sports Car, Flat6, GT Porsche, Porsche Club GB, Total 911, and Ultimate Porsche

    This example, chassis “0388”, an early-January 1973 build, is one of those important first series cars. It was sold new in Paris as a basic “no extras” Touring model. Thought to be one of only four cars sold into France in Sepia Brown, accounts of its history suggest it led a very busy life as a daily driver in its early years.

    In early 1986, the car was acquired by Philippe Aunay, President of Porsche Club France from 1980 until 2004. Mr Aunay was a high-profile personality around the French Porsche circuit, establishing the Rouen Porsche Centre and IMSA race team in the 1990s, all-the-while amassing an impressive collection of homologation-spec 911s. He claimed that the Porsche had covered 223,000 kilometres when he acquired the car, as told in a 1992 article in Flat 6 magazine that celebrated 20 years of the RS.

    As an enthusiast of early-RS models, Mr Aunay entrusted the car to legendary Porsche preparer, Louis Meznarie, and commissioned a total overhaul. This included a comprehensive colour change to Gulf Orange—none had been sold into France in that colour—plus a general simplification back to the more basic Sport specification, while retaining the special Recaro sport seat option. The mechanical rebuild included a factory-exchange transmission, and a total engine rebuild onto a new—and still unnumbered—magnesium crankcase.

    Mr Aunay sadly passed away in 2004. At that point, his collection went into storage—a 2015 photo shows this car on a parquet floor and beside a radiator. The cars remained there until the death of his wife in 2016, when the collection was offered to Autofarm, the UK-based independent Porsche specialist. After discussions between Josh Sadler, co-founder of the workshop, and Mr Aunay’s son, Olivier, who tragically died in a motorcycle accident in 2018, a deal was finally struck, with this 2.7 RS Touring heading back to the Bicester workshop in October 2016. Having been retained by the Aunay family as the weekend “fun car”, the Porsche was cherished, so a deal was brokered. Mr Sadler had established Autofarm in 1973 as an enthusiast of the RS 2.7, so found himself in the position of being unable to resist buying this example—which had also been Mr Aunay’s first 2.7 RS.

    Upon arriving at Autofarm, the odometer read 55,000 kilometres—though this is known to hide large parts of the car’s actual mileage, owing to its five-digit display. Come 2021, 35 years after the mechanic Menzarie had rebuilt the engine and with the odometer showing 71,000 kilometres, it had begun to leak oil. With Autofarm’s help, Sadler embarked on the next engine overhaul, enabling him to add all the engineering upgrades developed over the decades. The nominal degree of wear supported the suggestion that the engine had only covered around 48,000 kilometres since 1986.

    While chassis 0388 isn’t a “garage queen”, it is an RS that—with Sadler now not far off 80 years old—needs to find a new and hopefully active home. The Porsche comes with historic competition safety equipment as spares, along with its original steel Touring bumpers and sundry other parts. Mr Sadler has even kindly offered his continued support if required.

    Now here…

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    Those pictures on the DuPont are in top rank worst ever...who cares about stickers on a car? Weird, the Lamborghini website of the seller is great. And wat happened to the original Recaro sport seats? Have a feeling the previous owner bought a Lambo and sold 388 to them.

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    Converts to $544k. Not sure about buyer’s premium.
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    https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/c...ouring/1338186

    $474k. Not sure about buyers premium.
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