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Thread: Final thread on transition from 65-66 model yr!

  1. #521
    Do you know where 302266 was sold new? It was delivered to Cincinnati, but there was no dealer there in 1965. I have 302225 and it was sold in Fairborn, Ohio at Sports Cars Inc.

    George Thielen
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    George, all we know about 302266 is that it was imported by the distributor PoAC in Teaneck, NJ. Unless one has documentation kept by the original owner, such as bill of sale, invoice, or an owners manual with selling dealer noted, then it is not possible to determine the actual selling dealership to my knowledge. Do you have the Kardex or a CoA on 302225?
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    Colorists,

    In the Navy in Rota Spain, I had my car painted a somewhat similar green. It was around 1971 and was a 914 color. And I picked up the paint in Zuffenhausen. Ferry Porsche preferred green cars. Thanks.
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    George, I don't know if this is helpful or not, but it is another data point. I own 302262 which was delivered 9-10-65 to Schulz in Duesseldorf.

    Chris

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    NEVER MIND I FOUND THE THREAD ON IT USING THE SERIAL NUMBER


    Has anyone taken a hard look at the 1967 (built in 66) #304769 wood dash with the COA that states "911 Deluxe RS" and the kardex confirms the car has webers and "S" engine internals? It's run through Mecum Monterey with estiamtes in the 200k range in 2016 and 2018 with a no sell. It's here in AZ at Mecum and goes through today. It's pretty damn cool with the original interior, sunroof and generally a good restoration. I can't find anything about this variant except on this car's COA and Kardex. Here's the catalog description, it's very detailed.
    Beginning in June 1966, Porsche began to develop the exclusive 911 Deluxe RS examples that are rarely known of today, even by the most knowledgeable marque enthusiasts. Porsche utilized 253 previously completed wood-dash, Webasto-heater cars—chassis numbers 304703-304955—that had been removed from available sales inventory. Porsche then issued RS Ex. 13/66, the bulletin that instructed factory technicians of the changes to be made to the 253 cars that would create the new model to be offered: the 1967 Porsche 911 Deluxe RS.

    The factory Kardex build sheet for Serial No. 304769 verifies this car as one of the 1967 Porsche 911 Deluxe RS models produced in European configuration, and it retains its matching-numbers engine, Engine No. 907962. The Ivory color combined with a Kunstil Schwartz Pepita interior and sunroof are all additionally verified on the Porsche Certificate of Authenticity accompanying the car. The handwritten notes on the Kardex show that of the 253 cars, this car was even singled out for additional desired internal modifications.

    The changes from its original configuration were for further factory use from July 19, 1966, through November 10, 1966. The modifications to this car included the transaxle gears being changed to the new 911S ratio. The original engine block received the S crankshaft and S rods, marked and pulled from the best weight-matched produced parts available from the top 5 percent of production. Model-year 1967 S piston and cylinders with the smaller second ring allowed for higher compression, while ‘67 S heads with larger ports and 1mm-larger valves, ‘67 S cams, forged rocker arms and the ‘67 S IDS Webers with the secondary accelerator pump included combined for nearly 200 HP with a high state of tune from the race-bred nature of Porsche's soul.

    The body received enlarged rear wheel arches to test wider offset wheel-and-tire combinations, and it came with wheel spacers and extended studs for increasing the rear track. This was a common procedure with factory trial cars in the workshop, both prior to and continuing at this time, as development of the R model was soon to come and momentum was building toward the desired RS model's creation. With all of the modifications completed and 7,600 kilometers of testing run, the predecessor to the first Porsche RS was styled by these design changes.
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    There is some hyperbole in the seller's description....
    https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...11-deLuxe-quot

    Thanks

    -Allen-

  8. #528
    The early owner's manual shows emergency flasher switch between the fog light and gas heater switches (US only). Anybody got a factory fitted one before October 1965? Photos of unrestored 302274 (invoice date 9/8/65) show no switch and/or hole and no mention on Kardex. Sold in Cincinnati.


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    Here's the Kardex for 304769 and it is indeed an R.S. Deluxe, but what is that? R.S. stands for Rundschreiben -- service bulletin -- not Rennsport. Here's what the Kardex says:

    "There is a handwritten story about the sunroof on the Kardex - 'sunroof will be installed after delivery by Golde' and then showing an installation date of 9/66. It was originally sold to a company in Stuttgart 'Hans Weber' and had a webasto listed as the only factory option. There is nothing about the flares, the supposed 911S upgrades or anything else."

    So it is a nice story. The car has a 1966 chassis number, so it should have wood dashboard panels. It was a leftover 1966 spec. 911 invoiced after the introduction of the less deluxe 1967 911 and more deluxe 1967 911S. If it was intended to test the waters for a model in between, they must've decided otherwise, since it was not continued. Then again, in 1968 there was the 911L...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Johnson View Post
    The early owner's manual shows emergency flasher switch between the fog light and gas heater switches (US only). Anybody got a factory fitted one before October 1965?
    The first "Warnlicht" in my Kardex file is end of March 1966 in 303941.

    Thanks for the additional translation on 304769 Kardex. The Mecum description is pure fantasy.
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