Silver on Red SWB '68 in Ohio

[JCR]

Wake up Ohio boys - this looks like a deal! Someone go look at it and report back. or better yet... buy it! Sweet car, great colors. $23k.

http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/381454818.html

[911scfanatic]

It's sold. I contacted the seller yesterday.

[tfmcmahon]

looks like the same car as posted in Calf. for 35K and sold less than 2 weeks ago.Very strange! Same Vin# too! http://www.motoringinvestments.com/V127.htm

[911scfanatic]

That is strange...

[RTincher]

Tom, I've spoken and met with Brian at Motoring Investments several times, although not about this car. He's a first class guy. Most of his cars are his inventory, but some are consignment "in situ", where unlike your least favorite dealer in Connecticut he actually has an agreement with the seller to sell the car.

He sold this car originally 6-8 months ago. My guess is the buyer asked Brian to help him sell it "in situ", and the buyer also listed local/elsewhere - although I can't explain the $23 vs. $35 price gap (transposed #'s by the owner in his ad?).

HTH

[NiceT]

[QUOTE=RTincher] although I can't explain the $23 vs. $35 price gap (transposed #'s by the owner in his ad?)


I think you figured it out Bob, It was $32,500 at Motoring Investments.
The price stills shows on the main page although it says "sold".
A stunning car at that price too.

Daron

[boxster03]

P cars seemed well price but its another story on the Triumphs! Not to mention the Benz !!!

[Allen Henderson]

SWB guys,

Let me start my post, again, a Blatant request (Oh, how crass LOL) asking for someone on the list to offer me a nice SWB (there was a CA car on the East coast, south, that sounded very nice but I lost the link--please let me know, VA area I think). I've sold a bunch of Porsche stuff lately and am (still) ready to buy a nice SWB for my own use.

Now on to this car: Brian at Motoring Investments is a great guy. A few months ago, I flew down to look at this car. It is a nice car and it is a mutt and a good looking mutt. Mutt?: originally a Sportomatic European T with no sunroof in Irish green, interior changed to Red. How is that for a change? Not much more one could do! The owner who bought it in Ohio and just sold it for less (looks like he sold or kept a bunch of good stuff that came with the car when it bought it from Brian..like the Fuchs and H1s !)..anyway the owner decided he didn't like old, "uncomfortable Porsches-he's not the first." Looks like he had someone put it on eBay but sold it on Craigs list. Having seen the car, I"d say the Craigs list guy got a fair deal..the car does have a lot of undercoating and so ??? Still a nice looking car.

From this list but you have to search and then look hard...Interesting "story" on this car. I wonder WHO the owner was in COLORADO (IF on the list please chime in! No lurking)..so the following can me found under eBay sales thread above, you can search with the chassis number, and then scroll far enought that your get to the period Dec '06.......
Year: 1968
VIN Number: 11820522
Winning bid: US $22,100.00
Date sold: Dec-19-06
Notes: "Right off, this car has been extensively rebuilt, restored, and upgraded. Please read the ad in it's entirety before asking questions. I have owned this 1968 Porsche 911T since 1996, and the owner before me had it since 1983. It has an interesting history, has always been professionally maintained by people who know these cars inside and out, and is a beautiful and well running weekend toy. There is going to be a lot of information here, so settle in. I will attempt to be as clear as possible. I am a long time Porsche Club of America member, and want the buyer of this car to be educated and happy, and to enjoy it as I have. If you are looking for an early 911 that had already had everything done to it, this is for you. The pictures do not show the "S" rocker trim installed, it has been done at this time and looks great. There is one photo of the car with the standard trim from a couple of years ago, again the car has "S" trim all the way around now. The hood badge (original, not reproduction) has also been reinstalled.

History

This vehicle was originally built on 12/22/1967, and sold from the factory to a dealership in Switzerland. From there it ended up in Greece before coming to the United States in the early 80’s in a US Customs auction. (Drug seizure? Who knows.) This is where the owner before me purchased the car. I do have the paperwork from the EPA approving its importation, so it’s legal for the US no matter what. This is a European model, as no 911T’s were produced for the US market until 1969, when they changed to the long...
more text on next message the list is limiting what I can post on the link isn't good cause you have to scroll way long dude
-Allen-

[Allen Henderson]

wheelbase body style. As built, this car was Irish Green with a Brown interior, equipped with a Sportomatic transmission and a side view mirror. For those of you who enjoy translating German, this is the information off of a copy of the original Porsche paperwork I have:

Fahrgest.Nr 118.2.0522
Motor-Nr. 218 0095
Getriebe-Nr. 4180182-905/01
Ausgel.am 22.12.67
Abnahme-Besch. 05.02.68
Farbe irischgrun 6806C
Polsterung: Kunstl. Braun
Reifen-Fabrikat: Pirelli 165-15
Sonderausfuhrung/Sonderausstattung: Sportomatic, Aussenspiegel li.
Handler: Fa. Amag. Schinznach-Bad

Nifty, isn’t it?

It no longer has the Sportomatic, it was professionally converted to the 901 5 speed manual transmission after being brought into the US. There are no emissions devices due to it’s European origin- no nasty air pump to make the engine backfire and foul plugs on a regular basis, basically. Check local laws, but most states give a pass on a car built this long ago. Some differences in the European model are also indicated by the lack of side marker reflectors that became mandatory that year in the US.

Body & Paint

Beautiful. Complete restoration (the first time) in the 1980’s included grafting the entire roof of a period-correct sunroof equipped 911 onto this car from the A, B & C pillars up. The graft was done perfectly, and all the original Porsche wiring was saved and transferred to the car. So it is a sunroof coupe in it’s current state, but it was not originally built as such. You would never know it did not come with the electric sunroof from the factory, and it’s really nice to have. Car was painted Silver Frost Metallic (correct ’68 paint code) in 1997 and freshened again recently in 2006 to get some road rash off the front edge of the hood and on the lower valences. There is no rust in this car that I know of or my body shop could find. All the places in early 911’s to look for rust are fine here. While the car was apart earlier this year it was cleaned and undercoated to further protect it for years to come. The trim was changed to “S” trim on the front, rear, and rockers just for fun. The windshield is the only non-original glass; everything else is original Sekurit.

Interior

Original seats, carpets, parcel shelf, and door panels are red and from another 1968 model I found some years ago that was being parted out. Seats are vinyl or leatherette, whatever you would like to call it. If you know the 68’s, you know that the interior sports some rare and one-model-year only pieces such as the dash and the door panels. The dash is crack free and perfect, door panels are great as well. No speaker holes cut into anything here. The dash has the aluminum trim in good condition. There is one modification to the dash I will mention- a previous owner cut a rectangle in the radio area to fit a standard DIN radio instead of the original style. I cut the section of dash out of a parts car and attached it over the hole so the original radio would fit again. Looks fine, slight bulge under the aluminum trim, but it is something that bugs me. You could cut and weld the same piece in if you were so inclined, or take the piece out and put a DIN size radio in it again. Radio works (correct Blaupunkt AM/FM, no less) and plays through the speaker in the dash. Your choice, or leave it alone as is. It has the original rubber floor mats front and rear. I recently recarpeted the front trunk area with original type felt and replaced the hood shocks. They worked perfectly for almost three days, then the hood started to sag again. (I am told this is normal. Sigh.) Get used to balancing it on your head a little if you need to reach in there, or just carry half a broomstick. Don’t worry- it’s not heavy. Steering wheel is the optional 400mm leather wheel. Could use a recover but it’s basically fine as is. Headliner is white and in good shape. The driver’s side window regulator is getting sticky, so I help it up and down a little when I wind it up and down.

Gauges & Switches

Very important- sharp eyes will notice the German labeled “S” gauges- that means full instrumentation for fuel level, oil level, oil temperature, and oil pressure. The Sportomatic equipped cars had basically the same gauges as the “S” model 911. One difference was the oil temperature gauge. Originally this had a colored band instead of the numeric scale, I found this correct manual transmission style gauge and installed it many years ago. I have the original in a box, worked fine. You will notice the clock was removed and a different gauge is in its place on the far right. (Clock worked, it’s in a box, too.) I had North Hollywood Speedometer build me a combination Volt/Amp gauge that looks just like the other instruments. I like to keep tabs on things; idiot lights don’t do it for me. So there it is. The tachometer is the original 911T unit with the redline labeled about 6500 rpm. It has been modified internally to be compatible with the MSD electronic ignition installed. Speedometer is a MPH unit I installed to replace the original KMH unit. I have that as well, but it probably needs to be rebuilt, I seem to remember it was a little bouncy. Everything works- fresh air vent is tight and leak free, headlight switch fine, sunroof works, even the cig lighter, although I can assure you it’s been a very, very long time since someone lit up in THIS car. There is an original hazard light switch in the dash, but it is not hooked up. I bought it in case I put fog lights on it many years ago, but never did. There is an aftermarket hazard switch under the dash if you need it, works great. At night, all gauges are nice and bright, no squinting.

Engine & Transmission

You have patiently waited for me to go through all these other things, and finally here’s what you have been waiting for. While this is the original engine to the car, everything has been rebuilt, modified, and improved for reliability and performance. Best of all, you’d never know it by looking at it. This motor has powered this car reliably and there are no issues with it. This may be the only 911 that you could park on a white carpet. It does not leak. I know everybody says that, but it does not leak. Not after parking it hot, not after sitting for weeks, it does not leak. From the way it is built I have had estimates of about 180 hp from a couple of people, but I have not dyno’d it, nor do I want to exaggerate its power level. I live in Denver and it is quick, I have also driven it at sea level and it is will spin the tires up into 2nd gear, which is very unusual in an early 911. It will pull smoothly and quickly to redline in every gear, including 5th if you were so inclined. This engine is not a high compression race motor. It has solid components and is built to provide excellent power over a long period of time- this is no hand grenade. Two years ago I drove this car from Denver to the Grand Canyon, up to Las Vegas, and back to Denver, about 1700 miles without a single problem. It is a fantastic car to drive. It has the absolutely mandatory hydraulic chain tensioner upgrade. Last time I renewed the tag it passed emissions with no issues, which was only a couple of years ago. Car is currently licensed and tagged, and I drive it on sunny weekends. Yes, the car has been in the rain from time to time, but never on purpose or for very long. Always garaged at night. I run Premium fuel in it, although the compression ratio isn’t that high. Here’s a breakdown of the engine components. I’d estimate less than 10,000 miles on this engine, based on how many miles a year I put on the car, which is less than 2500 including the occasional long distance road trip. There is no leak down issue with the engine. I had it done a year or so ago and it had less than 4% difference between all cylinders, everything normal. Engine rebuilt about 4 or 5 years ago, but again the mileage is very low."

And there you have the story on this interesting but SWB with no pedigree, i.e. a mutt

[Baron]

OUCH ......... my eyes hurt from all that type ....where are the photos???? you can read'em quicker