Euro Carrera

[jaudette3]

I just bought the lime green thang and drove it to Bend from Modesto yesterday. I-AM-IN-LOVE. Whew! I can see why these cars are called the poor man's RS in Europe. I've always been a day late and a dollar short with the RS and I'm sure glad that these cars have not been widely discovered so I can afford one.

I'll follow up soon with pictures and additional information. At the moment I'm looking for the "Carrera" script decal that goes on the ducktail. Does anyone know where I can get one by Friday? There's a low key car show here in Central Oregon in Sunriver and I thought I would enter the thang.

Also, the person I bought the car from purchased it from Donn Fassero in Modesto who evidently had it for quite a while. There's an RGRUPPE sticker on the windshield and I wonder if anyone here knows Donn. I'd like to get more information on the car as I start building its history.

And I'm interested in information sources for Euro Carreras. I haven't been able to find much on them so far.

Thanks for the help.

John

P.S. I restarted this as a new thread as the first one kind of wandered off.

[VinnyC]

Wow! Congrats! That car looks amazing!

[rickrick]

I spoke to Donn a couple of times a a couple of years ago regarding this car when he had it for sale on the PCA site. Nice guy......he's an orthopedic surgeon in Modesto and shouldn't be too hard to find.

-rick

[kristof356-911]

take a look here : http://www.impactbumpers.com/

and more particular : http://www.impactbumpers.com/forum/i...p?showforum=48

Regards
Kristof (1977 carrera 3.0)

[johndglynn]

Congratulations John, you are the guy for that car, pleased for both of you. Friend of mine recently traded his Lime Green Carrera (below) for a superb 964RS, he is really missing having wonderful Limey tucked up in the garage. No other 911 road car feels quite the same - that high end MFI snarl in the the later roadgoing chassis is unique.

[gulf908]

....I-AM-IN-LOVE. Whew!....
John,
I owned a '75 Carrera Targa for 13 years and four years later I still miss its electric performance.
If you do not want a show car,put the front lip and whale tail spoilers on and fit the 7/8 in wheels.This makes the car rock steady at speed.
50 profile tyres and 15 in wheels reduce gearing and enhance accelleration = magic response !

Enjoy !!

Cheers,
Dennis.

[Max (SD)]

John,

That look great, congratulations.

What are your thoughts on this one on ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWA:IT&ih=012

[jaudette3]

What are your thoughts on this one on ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWA:IT&ih=012

That's a U.S. Carrera. I'm just getting started gathering information on the early impact bumper cars (I started with 356's and I'm working my way up through the years I guess). There are substantial differences between U.S. Carreras and Euro Carreras (which were actually RoW):

Engine:
o U.S. - 2.7 CIS (K-Jetronic) burdened with smog devices and producing 175HP. Engine number begins with 634.
o Euro - 2.7 K with MFI (same exact engine as the '73 RS Carrera, type 911/83) with minimal smog devices, producing 210HP. Engine number begins with 664.

Transmission:
o U.S. Carrera - 915/40
o Euro Carrera - 915/06

Spoiler:
o U.S. - '74 ducktail; '75 whale tail
o Euro - '74 ducktail except tail delete in Germany; '75 whale tail

Wheels:
o U.S. - 6's & 7's
o Euro - 7's & 8's

Shocks:
o U.S. - Bilstein
o Euro - Bilstein

Sway Bars:
o U.S. - 20/18mm
o Euro - 20/18mm

The Euro Carreras are often referred to as the "poor man's RS" in Europe. They have the following in common with the '73 RS:

o Engine, type 911/83 (Carrera 2.7s use Alusil linerless cylinders).

o Suspension is similar, but the Euro Carrera has slightly larger anti-roll bars than the RS - and the Euro Carrera has forged aluminum trailing arms which are 7.7 pounds lighter than the steel trailing arms on the RS.

o 7,200RPM tachometer & 300KM/H speedometer

o Same weight to horsepower ratio: the RS Touring version and the Euro Carrera both weigh in at 2,365 pounds and both have 210 horsepower.

Production Numbers:
o '73 RS - 1590
o '73 Euro Carrera (Ducktail other than Germany) - 1026
o '74 Euro Carrera (Tea tray spolier) - 518
o '76 Euro Carrera - 123

There were also several hundred Euro Carrera Targas produced.

Prices:
o U.S. - Top of World maybe $50K
o Euro - Top of World maybe $100K

To identify them:
o U.S. - Fifth digit of the VIN is "4"
o Euro - Fifth digit of the VIN is "6"

Here's a quote I found from a website by Matt Holcomb:

In 1974, when Porsche phased in the G-model, big-bumper, middle-year 911s, the RS Carrera was re-born as the 'Carrera 2.7', while the RS appellation was reserved for a sparsely-appointed, Turbo-bodied, 3.0 litre car. But the '74-75 Carrera 2.7 was identical to the standard Carrera RS -- the M472, or 'Touring' version as it's commonly referred to. The Carrera 2.7 had the same engine and the same suspension geometry as the 1973 RS, but it was all covered up by a compromised and conservative-looking body, and this rankled -- and alienated -- hard-core enthusiasts. Only 3,300 Carrera 2.7s were built (about 1500 Coupes), and while the world is quickly waking up to these cars, some people (like the author) who value on-road dynamics over aesthetics, are the lucky owners of the best-ever road-going 911 for a third of the price of the 1973 Carrera RS.

The Euro cars are pretty hard to find -- and so is information about them. I would appreciate any additional information that others might be able to provide.

I've always been a day late and a dollar short with the RS's and I'm really glad I was able to get a poor man's version. It seems that most of us in the U.S. think of a U.S. version when we think of a '74 Carrera (or an SC), but folks in other parts of the world are on to the Euro version -- notice that the many of the posts in this thread are from outside of the U.S. I suspect that these cars will see increasing demand as more folks become aware of them.

Cheers,
John

[schmidt]

Nice car John, I sold my 1975 Carrera, it was a great machine. You should have fun.

[kristof356-911]

Beautiful picture John (Glyn) !!
Love to see more of that green car......
When I see 911-s in these bright colors, it makes my silver car kind of dull

btw Jaudette : congrats with your beautiful '74 !
I'm a bit in the same situation as you are I guess : had about 5 early 911's over the past 10 years. Recently bought my first impact bumper, a '77 carrera 3.0. Would have loved a 74-75 2.7 carrera, but too expensive for my budget