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    F1: More Alonso nonsense...(LONG POST)

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    An opinion from Mac Morrison: I thought you'd enjoy this viewpoint - the FIA and F1 at their level best...

    Cheers, enjoy,
    Thom
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    I'm not 100 percent sure where two-time Formula One world champion Fernando Alonso will land next year, though his friends at Renault will welcome him home when he turns his back on McLaren--something you can bet he will do once the season concludes next weekend in Brazil. And it will happen regardless of whether Alonso or teammate Lewis Hamilton, his antagonist, takes the title.

    "I told Fernando that the moment he is free from McLaren, we would be pleased to have him back," Renault boss Flavio Briatore recently told Italy's Gazzetta dello Sport. "It would be stupid to deny that."

    Actually, McLaren is more likely to turn its back on Alonso, despite holding a multi-year contract with the man who until this year was clearly F1's top gun. As comical, political and generally bemusing as F1 is, the events of the last few months should have even the most cynical of observers banging their heads against pit walls until they require 97 carbon fiber stitches at $1000 a pop.

    Wait, did I say months? Try the last few days.

    On Wednesday, McLaren took the unprecedented step of issuing a press release titled, "Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes Reinforces Equality For Season Finale." This masterstroke of public relations brilliance reads in part (with emphasis added):

    "Following suggestions that there might not be equal treatment for both Fernando and Lewis, the team wants to make it absolutely clear that its policy of treating both Fernando and Lewis with complete equality and fairness will continue for the final race in Brazil . . . Fernando and Lewis will enjoy the same opportunity to win in terms of equality of car, engine, tactics and use of resources."

    What McLaren boss Ron Dennis and McLaren's Mercedes-Benz guru Norbert Haug failed to mention-appearing magnanimous on the surface but telegraphing a direct strike-was that Alonso himself has done a great deal of the "suggesting." He wants No. 1 status such as Michael Schumacher used to enjoy at Ferrari. He wants preferential treatment. He wants the team and all of its resources behind him 100 percent and to hell with Lewis Hamilton. He believes, as double champ, that he deserves this. Normally, I would agree with him.

    Sadly for Alonso, Hamilton's performances have been a damn far sight from "normal." But Alonso's reaction to having a competitive (and shrewd, to be sure) teammate has not made him look good, and I doubt his whining has won over many fans. When someone asked him at the Chinese Grand Prix if McLaren was treating him fairly or if it was slowing his car to favor Hamilton, Alonso replied: "Difficult question . . . I will not answer."

    Dennis didn't appreciate the comment.

    "There are numerous equality clauses in our contracts, they are reciprocal," Dennis said. "We never have, never will and certainly are not favoring either driver at the moment. This is a straight fight and I'm obviously disappointed that someone who really has all the knowledge should not be more direct and open with the response."

    Ahhh, so maybe Alonso's real problem is that he needs a better contract lawyer or agent. Look, there's no doubt Hamilton is Dennis' golden boy, groomed by the team for years and certainly given equal equipment and perhaps even more psychological support from the team. Hamilton has also been lucky to have a dream season with only one DNF all year. But Alonso's credentials and obvious talent make me think he could have coped with all this differently. Perhaps he doesn't have the right people around him, someone who could have grabbed him early this year, calmed him down and said, "This guy Hamilton is for real, and you better bring it every week." Hell, maybe he should start bringing his dad along to every race, as Hamilton does. One thing he definitely should do in the future is read the terms of his contract as cited by Dennis.

    Think about it: If McLaren truly has favored Hamilton while purposely holding back Alonso, the results make it pretty hard to argue with the strategy. Ironically, Alonso thinks such a strategy is quite acceptable-it's just that he thinks he should be the beneficiary due to his past glory. That's weak at this point, and it was weak months ago when all of this started bubbling to the surface. If Alonso wanted and felt he deserved clear No. 1 status, he should have used his leverage as world champion to get Dennis to give him that in writing when he signed his deal. That's what Schumacher used to do. Don't sign a contract that makes it clear you'll have to earn top billing, then point fingers when the other guy does just as well as you. Quite why Alonso seems so taken aback at McLaren's equality policy baffles me. He's the one who signed the damn contract.

    But here's the most bizarre twist: Now comes word that the FIA-yeah, F1's governing body-has assigned a dedicated official to McLaren for Brazil. Why? To ensure both drivers are treated equally. Are you #&@$^%! KIDDING ME?

    "Yes, it's true that the FIA will have a steward making sure that nothing wrong happens to Fernando, especially in qualifying, which is where there have been more complaints or strange situations in the last few Grands Prix," said Spanish motorsport federation boss Carlos Garcia in an interview with Spanish newspaper AS.

    This situation has treaded into territory previously known only to Sly Stallone and his crew of lobotomy-afflicted writers on the night they stuck hot pokers into each other's brains and sat down to craft Driven. The FIA is policing the behavior of a team as it battles for the title with . . . itself? The FIA monitoring a team's strategy for its own drivers is one of the most asinine things I've ever heard of in sports. I mean, can you imagine the NBA sending an official to observe, say, Miami Heat games, and then the guy gets to pop into the huddle to tell Pat Riley that Antoine Walker must play the same amount of minutes and take as many shots as Dwayne Wade? This is the kind of thing that goes on in Little League rec games to make sure every kid feels good about themselves. But at the highest level of professional sports? Shoot me in the eye. The whole thing makes Alonso and F1 as a whole look ridiculous.

    Yep, Alonso's only solution at this point is to leave McLaren, return to Renault and its preferential treatment, and battle Hamilton as true No. 1s from different teams. I don't know what Alonso will do if he loses then-other than blame his car. But at least McLaren won't fill my inbox with laugh-out-loud press releases, and the FIA observer can go back to mowing Bernie's lawn or typing-up Max's daily schedule. Yet if anyone still hoped that F1 would one day again resemble "sport," those dreams have suffered a serious blow.

    Maybe it doesn't matter, though. Because while no one knows exactly how this is going to shake out, the one thing I can guarantee absolutely is that I'll be glued to the screen for the Brazilian Grand Prix. Hmmm, talk about conspiracy theories: Could Bernie, Flavio, Ron, Lewis and Fernando be sitting in a dark room, laughing hysterically all the way to several Swiss banks? At this point in a season that has jumped the shark at least five times, anything seems possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homemade 911
    All,
    An opinion from Mac Morrison: I thought you'd enjoy this viewpoint - the FIA and F1 at their level best...

    Cheers, enjoy,
    Thom
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    I'm not 100 percent sure where two-time Formula One world champion Fernando Alonso will land next year, though his friends at Renault will welcome him home when he turns his back on McLaren--something you can bet he will do once the season concludes next weekend in Brazil. And it will happen regardless of whether Alonso or teammate Lewis Hamilton, his antagonist, takes the title.

    "I told Fernando that the moment he is free from McLaren, we would be pleased to have him back," Renault boss Flavio Briatore recently told Italy's Gazzetta dello Sport. "It would be stupid to deny that."

    Actually, McLaren is more likely to turn its back on Alonso, despite holding a multi-year contract with the man who until this year was clearly F1's top gun. As comical, political and generally bemusing as F1 is, the events of the last few months should have even the most cynical of observers banging their heads against pit walls until they require 97 carbon fiber stitches at $1000 a pop.

    Wait, did I say months? Try the last few days.

    On Wednesday, McLaren took the unprecedented step of issuing a press release titled, "Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes Reinforces Equality For Season Finale." This masterstroke of public relations brilliance reads in part (with emphasis added):

    "Following suggestions that there might not be equal treatment for both Fernando and Lewis, the team wants to make it absolutely clear that its policy of treating both Fernando and Lewis with complete equality and fairness will continue for the final race in Brazil . . . Fernando and Lewis will enjoy the same opportunity to win in terms of equality of car, engine, tactics and use of resources."

    What McLaren boss Ron Dennis and McLaren's Mercedes-Benz guru Norbert Haug failed to mention-appearing magnanimous on the surface but telegraphing a direct strike-was that Alonso himself has done a great deal of the "suggesting." He wants No. 1 status such as Michael Schumacher used to enjoy at Ferrari. He wants preferential treatment. He wants the team and all of its resources behind him 100 percent and to hell with Lewis Hamilton. He believes, as double champ, that he deserves this. Normally, I would agree with him.

    Sadly for Alonso, Hamilton's performances have been a damn far sight from "normal." But Alonso's reaction to having a competitive (and shrewd, to be sure) teammate has not made him look good, and I doubt his whining has won over many fans. When someone asked him at the Chinese Grand Prix if McLaren was treating him fairly or if it was slowing his car to favor Hamilton, Alonso replied: "Difficult question . . . I will not answer."

    Dennis didn't appreciate the comment.

    "There are numerous equality clauses in our contracts, they are reciprocal," Dennis said. "We never have, never will and certainly are not favoring either driver at the moment. This is a straight fight and I'm obviously disappointed that someone who really has all the knowledge should not be more direct and open with the response."

    Ahhh, so maybe Alonso's real problem is that he needs a better contract lawyer or agent. Look, there's no doubt Hamilton is Dennis' golden boy, groomed by the team for years and certainly given equal equipment and perhaps even more psychological support from the team. Hamilton has also been lucky to have a dream season with only one DNF all year. But Alonso's credentials and obvious talent make me think he could have coped with all this differently. Perhaps he doesn't have the right people around him, someone who could have grabbed him early this year, calmed him down and said, "This guy Hamilton is for real, and you better bring it every week." Hell, maybe he should start bringing his dad along to every race, as Hamilton does. One thing he definitely should do in the future is read the terms of his contract as cited by Dennis.

    Think about it: If McLaren truly has favored Hamilton while purposely holding back Alonso, the results make it pretty hard to argue with the strategy. Ironically, Alonso thinks such a strategy is quite acceptable-it's just that he thinks he should be the beneficiary due to his past glory. That's weak at this point, and it was weak months ago when all of this started bubbling to the surface. If Alonso wanted and felt he deserved clear No. 1 status, he should have used his leverage as world champion to get Dennis to give him that in writing when he signed his deal. That's what Schumacher used to do. Don't sign a contract that makes it clear you'll have to earn top billing, then point fingers when the other guy does just as well as you. Quite why Alonso seems so taken aback at McLaren's equality policy baffles me. He's the one who signed the damn contract.

    But here's the most bizarre twist: Now comes word that the FIA-yeah, F1's governing body-has assigned a dedicated official to McLaren for Brazil. Why? To ensure both drivers are treated equally. Are you #&@$^%! KIDDING ME?

    "Yes, it's true that the FIA will have a steward making sure that nothing wrong happens to Fernando, especially in qualifying, which is where there have been more complaints or strange situations in the last few Grands Prix," said Spanish motorsport federation boss Carlos Garcia in an interview with Spanish newspaper AS.

    This situation has treaded into territory previously known only to Sly Stallone and his crew of lobotomy-afflicted writers on the night they stuck hot pokers into each other's brains and sat down to craft Driven. The FIA is policing the behavior of a team as it battles for the title with . . . itself? The FIA monitoring a team's strategy for its own drivers is one of the most asinine things I've ever heard of in sports. I mean, can you imagine the NBA sending an official to observe, say, Miami Heat games, and then the guy gets to pop into the huddle to tell Pat Riley that Antoine Walker must play the same amount of minutes and take as many shots as Dwayne Wade? This is the kind of thing that goes on in Little League rec games to make sure every kid feels good about themselves. But at the highest level of professional sports? Shoot me in the eye. The whole thing makes Alonso and F1 as a whole look ridiculous.

    Yep, Alonso's only solution at this point is to leave McLaren, return to Renault and its preferential treatment, and battle Hamilton as true No. 1s from different teams. I don't know what Alonso will do if he loses then-other than blame his car. But at least McLaren won't fill my inbox with laugh-out-loud press releases, and the FIA observer can go back to mowing Bernie's lawn or typing-up Max's daily schedule. Yet if anyone still hoped that F1 would one day again resemble "sport," those dreams have suffered a serious blow.

    Maybe it doesn't matter, though. Because while no one knows exactly how this is going to shake out, the one thing I can guarantee absolutely is that I'll be glued to the screen for the Brazilian Grand Prix. Hmmm, talk about conspiracy theories: Could Bernie, Flavio, Ron, Lewis and Fernando be sitting in a dark room, laughing hysterically all the way to several Swiss banks? At this point in a season that has jumped the shark at least five times, anything seems possible.
    yes, i can see ron dennis extracting a large amount of cash out of renault/alonso for this transfer which would substantially reduce his debt to the fia.
    personaly i would prefer if he went to william f1 but then again frank doesn't usually pay over the top for his drivers but then again toyota is also on the hunt.
    alonso is worth a lot of money to ron dennis in transfer situation thats for sure, more than lewis hamilton perhaps it would appear...?(imo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homemade 911
    Could Bernie, Flavio, Ron, Lewis and Fernando be sitting in a dark room, laughing hysterically all the way to several Swiss banks? At this point in a season that has jumped the shark at least five times, anything seems possible.
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    Massa has stated in no uncertain terms that he will help Kimi win the race if he has the opportunity. If he slows and lets Kimi go buy, will the FIA be monitoring this situation as well? F1 has ALWAYS had Nr. 1 and Nr 2 drivers. Why do they need to be equals this year? What a joke.

    My dream race would be to see the McLaren boyz take each other out on the first turn in the best Senna-Prost style and have the Iceman go thru for the win!

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    Curt,

    I had no idea that you were a Formula 1 aficionado. What a pleasant discovery to find one of the R Brotherhood thinking and talking F1. This definitely calls for another round of beers at Daytona so we can discuss this season's circus.

    I just found out that ESReg had an "Off-Topic" column and, lo & behold, the first thing I see is a thread where you had the last word.

    I found it amusing and interesting today on another site, that Sir Jackie has weighed in with his usually impeccably accurate observations on matters, about the absurdity of the FIA assigning an observer to monitor the Macaren team. How dare the sports governing body involve itself and interfere with the running and the internal day-to-day operations of a private enterprise entity. I'm sure if you fish around you will find it. (Remember Lauda-Prost, Prost-Senna, Piquet-Mansell, Schumi-Barrichello...where was the FIA then)

    My daughter is getting married this weekend, so unfortunately I will not be able to view Quali & the race live, rather will have to sneak off with a good cigar, a better-than-average bottle of wine and enjoy it clandestinly... if I can find a TV with Speedvision. I'm Tivoing it at home in any event.
    Supposed to rain,....can't remember when there were 3 wet Grands Prix in a row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CurtEgerer
    Massa has stated in no uncertain terms that he will help Kimi win the race if he has the opportunity. If he slows and lets Kimi go buy, will the FIA be monitoring this situation as well? F1 has ALWAYS had Nr. 1 and Nr 2 drivers. Why do they need to be equals this year? What a joke.

    My dream race would be to see the McLaren boyz take each other out on the first turn in the best Senna-Prost style and have the Iceman go thru for the win!

    Other than the years that Senna and Prost were at McLaren?....both #1... one for the McLaren chassis with a Honda engine, the other for the Honda engine team with a MClaren chassis...

    Certainly MS had his #1 status etched in stone at the gates of the Ferrari team compound...wherever it might have been, which ever testing or race or research location.

    At the time it was a rather draconian imposition as Ferrari had been used to playing the drivers off each other... Villeneuve/ Pironi anyone?...

    What is sad about the quoted article is that Alonso's work from January to the first race has been completely overlooked. From that period we can see his contribution to developing the car to its winning form was fundamental to the team's overall success, including Hamilton's. Sure Hamilotn has had more than his shared of the race day glory, but LH's contribution to date in the interveneing periods has been lack lustre. FA, as he did at Renault, has pushed the team to perform overall, far more than LH. Would that not rile? LH's front running car is in large part due to FA's experience and skill, LH does not yet have that, he will acquire the experience and skill, but it is not unknown for very good race drivers to be rather less impressive at developing and setting up a car....Montoya comes to mind, Jacques Villeneuve, even Kimi..

    Ms raised the bar in terms of development.... FA has certainly maintained that level and LH remains an unknown.

    So whilst RD may well be tempted to dispense with Alonso's services...he also knows he will need a better development tema than he currently has. Its interesting to see Alex Wurz has called his racing days to an end.. he might slot back into the testing role again.. afterall he delivered for Mika...

    Certainly be an interesting race....but I think Massa and LH will clash as LH exits the pits after his first stop....

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    The lowdown on who, how and if for the championship....

    http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189...790234,00.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver911
    Other than the years that Senna and Prost were at McLaren?....both #1... one for the McLaren chassis with a Honda engine, the other for the Honda engine team with a MClaren chassis...

    Certainly MS had his #1 status etched in stone at the gates of the Ferrari team compound...wherever it might have been, which ever testing or race or research location.

    At the time it was a rather draconian imposition as Ferrari had been used to playing the drivers off each other... Villeneuve/ Pironi anyone?...

    What is sad about the quoted article is that Alonso's work from January to the first race has been completely overlooked. From that period we can see his contribution to developing the car to its winning form was fundamental to the team's overall success, including Hamilton's. Sure Hamilotn has had more than his shared of the race day glory, but LH's contribution to date in the interveneing periods has been lack lustre. FA, as he did at Renault, has pushed the team to perform overall, far more than LH. Would that not rile? LH's front running car is in large part due to FA's experience and skill, LH does not yet have that, he will acquire the experience and skill, but it is not unknown for very good race drivers to be rather less impressive at developing and setting up a car....Montoya comes to mind, Jacques Villeneuve, even Kimi..

    Ms raised the bar in terms of development.... FA has certainly maintained that level and LH remains an unknown.

    So whilst RD may well be tempted to dispense with Alonso's services...he also knows he will need a better development tema than he currently has. Its interesting to see Alex Wurz has called his racing days to an end.. he might slot back into the testing role again.. afterall he delivered for Mika...

    Certainly be an interesting race....but I think Massa and LH will clash as LH exits the pits after his first stop....
    I enjoyed your insights, thanks.
    I think LH is an unknown but having been surrounded by the best team and a 2 time world champion has as it would any rookie driver given him what only years of experaince in F1 will provide. LH is certainly no angel.
    Sorry not buying into the LH hype, yet.

    Can you imagine the drama if Ferrari but a hit on LH and Massa did take himout?.

    Someone said maybe rain again, 3 rain Grand Prix in a row?

    Go Kimi!

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    I just looked at this....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gburner
    The lowdown on who, how and if for the championship....

    http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189...790234,00.html

    Hooo boy..Permutations anyone? Brazil is DEFINITELY one GP worth catching!

    May the best man win

    cheers
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