Old rally photos, Porsche 911

[Chuck Miller]

That is VERY cool Steve !!!

[911MRP]

Not sure if posted before this is the cover photo of official programme for the Royal Automobile Club Rally of Great Britain 1972

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Steve

Not clear why what appears to be the second placed 911S of Waldegård from the previous years RAC international GB rally was featured on official programme cover in 72 rather than the overall winner of that prior year event the SAAB 96 after all it beat the Porsche by over 3 mins?

This reminds me that as a kid a neighbour of my parents street was the workshop manager of the SAAB main dealer which would’ve been around the time of the rally. Dealership based near the Hamsterly Forest special stage often used by the RAC and other National rallies. We used to chat about rallying about this time as I was beginning to take an interest in motorsport abs used to go to events with my dad. Partisan to his employees SAAB of course, whereas I was on the thrall of Rally Escorts as they were prominent around that era.

Many decades later he was still living close to my mother’s home and when visiting onetime I got a package sent with some literature about the 911 RS from Germany. Turns out he had cut his teeth in motor-trade as a young-soldier in the armed forces motor-pool when stationed in Germany so he had gained a little knowledge of German language; not so much conversational more the terminology for parts and mechanical work. We sat watching a game of cricket and over a beer while he had a go at translating the recently received Porsche literature. By then he was probably in his late eighties but he got a lot of enjoyment and the years fell away dimly recalling our chats of yesteryear and of me watching him do repairs for his own and neighbours cars in the home garages of our street as favours to friends.

Steve

[_gonbau]

"By the way... I have nothing to lose by asking. This image was for sale. Has anyone bought it or has a copy?"


Found this image...
For the comparisons I have made with this other image

that Porsche is participating in the "inter-continental internationale" of 1972. It is a 911 with ST bits and sunroof or so I get to observe(In detail I also think I can see the front oil lines...).
Something did not add up to me in the file or in the tour with the event but investigating I saw that there was an intercontinental Hotel in the city of Limerick. Is this image part of that Hotel? That rally, in 1972 passed through "dublin"... I must understand that this would be part of the route but why would it be dated in month 6?

[_gonbau]

does this picture go here? This would be Julio Gargallo. Can someone explain to me the modification in the gas cap? Did you open the gas cap with that?

[uai]

Can someone explain to me the modification in the gas cap? Did you open the gas cap with that?

Center fill under the hood and electric cut off or fire extinguisher in the tank lid - smart solution if you do not want to drill holes in the car

[_gonbau]

thanks for the reply u.
On the other hand, I have a question. The license plate E-UR42 appears in montecarlo...

Names of the drivers in that event Gudladt Manfred - Gronau Manfred
Brothers and sisters?
We see that it is a vehicle like this:

Esta imagen es del montecarlo.


This other image is the same license plate. And I would like to ask. It's the same car as I thought with S/T bits.
we can see two small holes in the front bumper (in the image of the intercontinental, located later in time) we see those holes and the "widened" bumper. We can see under the front glass two points of something that I do not identify

I do not identify but it is "illuminating" when it comes to relating these vehicles, therefore I want to ask. Are they the same vehicle? In montecarlo did you use a sunroof or not?
What are those black dots? Water shooters?
Who is the lady accompanying the pilot and who is the pilot? They don't look much alike to me but I've always been very bad at looking for similarities.


I would also like to ask if someone just by looking at the photo can tell me if the montecarlo vehicle was a 72 or not.

[HughH]

Baudett

I think it is a 72 the entry forms have it as a 911S with a 2341 engine size - ie standard 1972 and 1973 S engine. It was a group 4 car so had some modifications to put it in that class but is not an ST. It started from Oslo with Manfred Gudladt as pilot and Manfred Gronau as co-pilot.
here is another photo of it
The things below the windscreen I think are double windscreen washers on each side instead of single - a good modification for a rally car in such an event. They have removed the trim on the front bumper and replaced it with tape and appear to have done the same on the sills. The front spoiler looks to be a 72 MY one but modified to fill in the gap in the centre bottom that is in stock ones. Modifications - yes, and extra lights etc but you would expect that on a Monte Carlo rally car. It is not an ST though. The front and rear fenders look to have been widened a bit in your photo but it is hard to tell if wider ones have been added (possibly) or the exiting ones stretched out . the front ones actually look stock to me in my photo and even in yours the rears do not look widened too much if at all.
i am not sure what you mean by it being the same car as in the intercontinental photo. That is too blurry for me to tell but there are significant differences between the two including the front spoiler as the one at the hotel is a standard one



the two black "holes", actually plastic plugs, in the front spoiler below the bumper are where bumper horns / bumperettes would be attached if they were fitted. They were on all cars with that steel S spoiler.

here are some additional pictures of the car from my files

[_gonbau]

Baudett

I think it is a 72 the entry forms have it as a 911S with a 2341 engine size - ie standard 1972 and 1973 S engine. It was a group 4 car so had some modifications to put it in that class but is not an ST. It started from Oslo with Manfred Gudladt as pilot and Manfred Gronau as co-pilot.
here is another photo of it
The things below the windscreen I think are double windscreen washers on each side instead of single - a good modification for a rally car in such an event. They have removed the trim on the front bumper and replaced it with tape and appear to have done the same on the sills. The front spoiler looks to be a 72 MY one but modified to fill in the gap in the centre bottom that is in stock ones. Modifications - yes, and extra lights etc but you would expect that on a Monte Carlo rally car. It is not an ST though. The front and rear fenders look to have been widened a bit in your photo but it is hard to tell if wider ones have been added (possibly) or the exiting ones stretched out . the front ones actually look stock to me in my photo and even in yours the rears do not look widened too much if at all.
i am not sure what you mean by it being the same car as in the intercontinental photo. That is too blurry for me to tell but there are significant differences between the two including the front spoiler as the one at the hotel is a standard one



the two black "holes", actually plastic plugs, in the front spoiler below the bumper are where bumper horns / bumperettes would be attached if they were fitted. They were on all cars with that steel S spoiler.

I got a partial copy of that image! I can tell it's a 72 (because of its side oil cap) and also say it received S/T parts (I think...original) the only thing I couldn't figure out was why the black lines and no trim and why it had the black headlights instead of chrome. Do you know vin or date of manufacture of this vehicle? In the image of the intercontinental the vehicle has black headlights so... there was an accident or modification since I understand that in 1972 the headlight moldings were chrome. The roof support has been removed and a sunroof is clearly visible. Useful in Monte Carlo? Hence the question of whether it was the same vehicle since I have not obtained another image of it in which the sunroof can be seen. It also received a new front spoiler (type ST) or at least the modification. It has the same holes for the speakers so I understand it would be a steel S/T type bumper, is it the same modified one or a new one? Finally... when I know if I can share the image I will be happy to publish it here! Salds!
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By the way, from my thoughts...the people in that photo don't look much like the ones in my photo. Cars lent? Or as I said, I'm very bad at making comparisons...

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I have to say, looking at the photos, it is very curious how is the effect that hides "the sunroof" ... there you have to put several eyes to look at it but I think I can see it in two of the images you show!
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I have obtained permission to display the image

"Picture from Limerick Leader Newspaper archives" - See limerickleader.ie for more"

[HughH]

the black around the headlights is tape to hold them in place on rough roads - the design makes that a weak point, especially if the front gets a slight hit. That was and still is a common modification rather than fixing them in place more securely with a metal strap welded to the headlight rim and screwed to the top of the mudguard/ fender which is for serious rally cars

[_gonbau]

the black around the headlights is tape to hold them in place on rough roads - the design makes that a weak point, especially if the front gets a slight hit. That was and still is a common modification rather than fixing them in place more securely with a metal strap welded to the headlight rim and screwed to the top of the mudguard/ fender which is for serious rally cars

would you recognize the pilot?
And apart from the tape, I mean the "chrome around the headlights" on a 72 either S or T shouldn't they be "silver chrome" instead of black?
From the date of the image I know that it is badly dated. The intercontinental rally ended in month 5 or so the commemorative plaque says...