1966 to 1967 transition

[davep]

It seems to be well known that the 1967 model year started at VIN 305101.
Sometimes I find that it is stated that 305100 is the last of 1966 model year.
Is it? I'm not so sure. I have gathered an extensive list of VIN's, and the last one for 1966 in that list is 304919. That is a long way from 305100, and is double the gap between any two VINs I have in the list.

What is the last known 1966 VIN?
Is the last 1966 model year VIN known? If so, what is it?

[davep]

72 looks, but no replies.
Am I full of it, or do you think that there may be a gap in the VIN's between 1966 and 1967? Can anyone post data on any VIN between 304000 and 305100 please.
David

[Allen Henderson]

...that folks actually interested in chassis numbers minutia (other than their own), production numbers, etc. are a relatively small group on this list (based on replies yours truly has had on posts such as yours). Anyway, I suspect you are on the something. The last 1966 year model in my pic data based is Chassis 304904. That being said, I would think that 1966 year models ended with a chassis in the 3050XX range but, not as you suggest, at 305100. Let's see if any '66 guys chime in.

Edit: I recalled something else--In Jim Schrager's great book "Porsche 911 and 912," he compares engines produced to cars produced. In 1966 1710 cars (303391-305100) And 5,450 engines (903551-907000 and 907001-909000). It doesn't make sense that SO many engines would be built and not that the numbers conveniently end evenly, "suspiciously" so. Ditto for the chassis number, 305100, suspicious ending. I think the chassis ending number is probably near the true end but the engine numbers look way off!

-Allen-

PS "Porsche Historian" is your handle. I gather that points to your primary Porsche focus?

[davep]

Allen, thanks for your comments.
What information do you have on 304904; I have no info yet.
I suspect that the '66 VIN did not get into the 305000 range since my data ends at 304919 and an additional 80 cars is a big gap for the data I have.

For engine data, what I have suggests that 903910 is the last built of type 901/01.
For type 901/05 the highest I have seen so far is 908070. Based on that, I'd guess 520 901/01 and perhaps 1100 901/05 for a little over 1600 engines, thus a good match for the number of bodies probably built.

[Allen Henderson]

Allen, thanks for your comments.
What information do you have on 304904; I have no info yet.
I suspect that the '66 VIN did not get into the 305000 range since my data ends at 304919 and an additional 80 cars is a big gap for the data I have.

For engine data, what I have suggests that 903910 is the last built of type 901/01.
For type 901/05 the highest I have seen so far is 908070. Based on that, I'd guess 520 901/01 and perhaps 1100 901/05 for a little over 1600 engines, thus a good match for the number of bodies probably built.

Dave (is it?)

Sorry but I have no real info on 304904 other than a bunch of pics from an eBay auction, no engine number. I'd say you are on the right track on the engines too. Would be good to get some later 1966 chassis numbers.

-Allen-

[Cliff]

I own 304863 with 908070--missing but documented per cardex & coa certificate....with a title as a 1967 L..Cardex has it as 1967 911 Deluxe R.S. EXP

[davep]

Now why would 304863 be a 1967 model unless it was hanging around a very long time? Very interesting.

David

[Allen Henderson]

I own 304863 with 908070--missing but documented per cardex & coa certificate....with a title as a 1967 L..Cardex has it as 1967 911 Deluxe R.S. EXP

The title and the model year should not be confused. Porsches often titled later than the model year. Dollars to donuts it is a 66 model year. Let's see some pics. C of A often in error.

-Allen-

[preS]

The title and the model year should not be confused. Porsches often titled later than the model year. Dollars to donuts it is a 66 model year. Let's see some pics. C of A often in error.

-Allen-

Allen

Cliff is correct. In the high 3047xx/3049xx numbers some at least but may be all got labelled "911 Deluxe R.S.".

Dave the information you are after you can only at the factory whether that are the production books or kardex sheets.

Richard

[Allen Henderson]

Allen

Cliff is correct. In the high 3047xx/3049xx numbers some at least but may be all got labelled "911 Deluxe R.S.".

Dave the information you are after you can only at the factory whether that are the production books or kardex sheets.

Richard

That is VERY interesting. So, the long-published numbers in numerous sources are wrong. you say "some numbers at least," does that mean, have you seen, some 1966 numbers (year models) AFTER 1967 numbers (year models)? !! Weird.

304863 owner (Cliff?), does your car interior features look like a 66 or 67 model year. The dash, is it wood, etc.? Where is the "911" located on the rear deck lid? Could you post a few pictures? Thanks.

-Allen-