Ultimate ST thread

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Gonbau

I think folks are reacting to overly long, what can be read by some as pedantic, posts that seem to be an endless barrage questioning in the same post. For instance, the response to Matt was two posts that were 60+ lines of text plus pull quotes!

Overall there are some folks here who have owned these cars, some with significant history, and are very aquainted with others... real, not so real and everything in between. It is difficult to come up with hard and fast rules that you seem to be searching for. And ascribing meaning to every detail is a challenge.

[_gonbau]

I understand that the messages might seem long, but the topic requires it. I started posting these lengthy doubts a few weeks ago when I began to realize that SOME people have intentionally or unintentionally tried to confuse these cars, conflating the S/T vehicles with the M491 ones, which are completely different. Many questions went unanswered, often due to what they call the "pretentiousness" in my words. Pretentiousness that has now led to clarifying that the PURE M491 vehicles (not the ones mentioned by Huhgg, which are the Z-program vehicles from January 14th) were none of them S/T vehicles (this is my belief, and people can believe it if they want). Regarding the "pretentiousness," I understand what you're saying, but I must point out that this so-called pretentiousness is only perceived by those who don't understand what I'm trying to explain or say in my texts.
Until a few days ago, it was not known that the M491 vehicles did not carry the T, (this was not known because it hadn't been demonstrated in documents nor had there been any interest in it...), but I did know. Not by observing the documents that Matteo (and who knows how many others) have, but rather through my own observations, through this so-called pretentiousness, through my questions. What has driven me to write these long texts is knowing that there are people with much more knowledge than me in this forum, people who write "books....". Why haven't these people raised these doubts here? Why has there been an effort to confuse an M491 vehicle, supported by a program developed for that series, with the S/T vehicles that were custom-made for each person and were "unique"? What interest have the "experts" had in this?
Lastly, I have to say that the perception I’m getting from different users on this forum is strange. People I respected and people I didn’t are doing things that seem strange to me, to say the least.... As I said, I will continue here, opening "wounds." Asking questions so that later they can call me "mythical," pretentious.... So that in other posts they can tell me I'm wrong about certain things, only for those comments to disappear without a trace when the truth is proven. And this has also happened in this post... Where have certain responses gone, etc.... That's when one begins to lose respect and starts to write "long texts"... When you realize that even today, "lists" are still being made, things are still being hidden....

PS: Regarding the last paragraph, I understand that many people are involved with these vehicles, either directly or indirectly. I also fully understand that by raising certain doubts or questions, some people might be confused or bothered. However, these are questions coming from someone without knowledge (myself). Therefore, if some of these people are "bothered" by my questions... I believe it's for a reasoned issue and not because of pretentiousness. I fully understand your last sentence... "And ascribing meaning to every detail is a challenge."

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That the M471 option was itself a bundle of items including:
· 80% locking limited slip diff (option M220 by itself)
· Tachometer up to 10,000rpm
· 380mm leather steering wheel
· Lightened body design consisting of:
o Attachment points for Sports seat belts
o Reinforcement for assembly of the safety bar
o Front and rear bumpers without horns
o Instead of decorative and rubber strips on the bumpers, Tesa tape on the front and rear bumpers
o Rubber quick-release fasteners for hoods on the front and back
o PORSCHE lettering decal on the back
o Simplified interior:
§ boards; door lock operation; carpet; dashboard;
o PORSCHE lettering decals in place of decorative strips under the doors on the left and right
o Underbody protection and sound insulation mats are not required

If the M471 was a package that included M220 for 1972, why is M220 not mentioned in the Z-Programm nor the SP, but in the M491 vehicles both the M220 extra and the SP inscription are mentioned? It seems as though in the M491 vehicles, the M471 package, which contains the M220 among other options, was not included.

https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...3&d=1724678675
https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...6&d=1724763051

Is there any M491 vehicle that has 'M220' listed as an extra on its specification sheet? Or is it present in all of them without an extra number, simply with the word 'Sperrdifferential
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[Andry911]

Hi Baudett,
i constantly read the posts in this thread and personally i find them all interesting and constructive.

If you like, even to make a post to collect information, which otherwise are fragmented and divided into many many interventions, it would be nice to have a technical explanation of what the Z program is and what it contains, similarly for M491.
If you want, if you have time and if you like.
I won't care how long it is, but i'm sure it's absolutely useful...

Finally i thank everyone for the contributions, i really like "Ultimate ST" !!