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    Advisability of removing vacuum advance '68 distributor

    I an effort to improve the reliability of my '68, I am having the distributor rebuilt (IAE, recommended by PMO--@ a cost of ~$400). After 41 years and 163k miles, it's probably time. Several people have recommended removing the vacuum advance, which can apparently be the source of problems. I am inclined to do so. What are some thoughts/experiences on this? TIA.
    Bill G.

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    What vacuum advance? It didn't appear until 1972.
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    There's a vacuum solenoid on the side of the aluminum distributor housing with a vacuum hose going to the driver side Weber. An arm from the solenoid is connected to the plate to which the points attach. The plate rotates the position of the points relative to the cam surface of the shaft. This is a vacuum advance mechanism, no? Distributor no. 0-231-169-001

    EDIT: It's a '68, which had the air pump for emissions control. Could it be a vacuum retard for idle for emissions control?
    Bill G.

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    Bill, I am sorry you are right, I just checked the workshop manual for a smogged 1968 911T and a vacuum retard IS part of the exhaust ignition control system.

    As it is only for emissions you should replace it with a centrifugal-only distributor that has been properly curved, or have it rebuilt to make sure the curve is OK. In the old cast iron distributors the springs stretch and the weights rust, causing all manner of problems. Search here for some nice pics of my cast iron distributors done by Ed Fall at Vintage Werks.
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    Bill,

    A two-part answer:

    1. Are you absolutely, irreversibly sure, that the distributor is indeed original to the engine.

    2. With a carburated engine you won't need a vacuum advance,.......so off with it. Do not forget however to plug the vacuum ports on your Webers, if that's what'll be retained on the engine. (see pic of carb. body and port(s) in question)


    $400.00 for a rebuilding & re-curving (if necessary) sounds right now-a-days. I paid $375.00 to Jerry Woods to have mine done a year and a half ago.
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    Thank you John & John.
    Bill G.

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    Bill G. The Blutt Orange 71 has had the vacume disconnected for about 5 years now. As John G stated make sure to plug the vacume on the carbs. For the 2.7 I ended up with about 5 degrees advance for best performance.
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    What's with these rebuild prices, are they charging an extra $200 for plating? I had mine inspected and recurved for $35. Vintage Werks charges $135+ or try Glenn Ring.

    DIY: http://www.glenn-ring.com/010/
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    I think there is a difference due to shops (like Jerry Woods) vs semi shop/ specialty hobbyist who can do the job as well but have another cost structure.

    Richard

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    Quote Originally Posted by B D View Post
    What's with these rebuild prices, are they charging an extra $200 for plating? I had mine inspected and recurved for $35. Vintage Werks charges $135+ or try Glenn Ring.

    DIY: http://www.glenn-ring.com/010/
    Ditto, Ed did my cast iron disty for my '68 a month back, did a great job, search my name for pics.

    Don't forget the "porsche" tax applies in many cases.....

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