Ultimate R thread

[Reza]

Raj, hope you have a giant mop and bucket for causing all this drooling !!! : )

Reza

[Cornpanzer]

Wow, nice find. ;-). BTW, The handle looks like a volkswagen bus part.

[blucille]

Raj,

I'm thrilled to see the car back in your hands, and hope we can do some drives with you/it again soon.....great detail photos and a fantastic thread....thanks for posting all of this.

Lewis

[blucille]

ah, the very common 'coat hook' as used in whatever application the grab handle came from, VW??

[advtracing]

Here are some photos of the roof handle bar.And don't know the purpose of the chrome ring.

raj

to hang you suit when you take the R out to dinner :-)

[911RFan]

Any pictures of Jack Croul's 911R?

[Mr9146]

Raj, I've used a handle like that in one of my father's previous cars, but I can't for the life of me remember which one! Like others have said, it's very VW-ish...

Any chance I can convince you to take pictures of that Scheel seat...?

[gva-sfo]

Since some time, I had the envy to translate the info that was posted into the Autodiva forum, that Pgxif mentioned in April this month.
Instead of a Google translate, this should be a (..may be ??) little better:

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Porsche 911R status Registry 29 May 2011, result of a work done at Autodiva Forum (Fr.)

Notes : a) Be careful to not mix-up the 4 prototypes (« R/1-4 ») with the 4 first « prods », i.e. : 11899001 – 11899004, that have numbers that end up in general with an “R” (..except, at least : 002P) ! I.e. : nickname « R/1 » is not equal to « 01R » !

b) The “white” color mentioned below should be accurately named "Light Ivory". (In French: « Ivoire Clair », which pronounces like “to see clearly” ! a kind of joke in such a case). The color code is 6804, where “68” is for the manuf. year..

a) 4 Factory Prototypes : R1, R2, et R4 in fiberglass (front fenders + hoods + doors), but, R3 had (?) those parts in aluminum (R3= «Sportomatic»)

305876 R/1 : white, ( ? ) Long time at Porsche > sold to ? > According to Kerry Morse : this car is currently in France !

306681 R/2 : fire red, lic. plat. S-YZ 29, driven by Vic Elford/van Lennep at the Mugello 1967, also N°115 at the “Coupe des Alpes” year ?, > ( ? )

307671 R/3 : “blood orange”, Im.: S-ZZ 829, “the Sportomatic !” Winner in 1967 of the Marathon de la route (Hermann, Neerpasch, Elford) > Alex Soler-Roig (Spain) > ( ? ) > UK, collector > sold, c.f.: http://www.gmundcars.com/cars/612/911r.html Note: not equipped with “NSU lights” Fr. & Rear, but with “std.” Porsche lights !

307670 R/4 : lemon yellow, 12 May 1969 Porsche AG > Sonauto > dealer in Grenoble : “Etablissements (Ets.) Balas” > Victor Blanc, Ronde Cévenole > returned to Ets. Balas > auction 15 October 1970, odom. : 2’343km. > stolen the night before the auction > found, Mars 1971 with broken rods and missing seats, with 2’762km at the odometer > Back to Ets. Balas, storage up to Jan 91, repaired > auction > U.K. collector, Martin König, Lic. pl..: CYY 244G (UK) partly-restored by Moto-Technique. During “Tour de France” 1995, engine failure, repaired with appropriate parts > 1995 sold ( ? ) > Monterey Christie’s Aug. 2006, auction (odometer : 7’500km tot. !) > (now in USA) Complete Restoration by B. Canepa, Scotts Valley, CA, beautiful results, see: www.canepa.com/racing/911R_final/index.html, owner ?.


b) 20 Production cars, c/o Karl Baur

Notes : a) According to Porsche files, in the 20 K. Baur production run, 19 have been fitted with race engine type 901/22 (210 hp). The engine numbers of this serie goes from 508 0001 to 508 0022. This tend to show that some engines were built in reserve, over the 19 cars. Note that we can remember that this engine was already used for example with the Porsche type 906.

b) Only one car of the 20 production unit has been sold as a “road car”. This car was sold brand new, but equipped with an engine type 901/02 (or 901/10) i.e.: 170hp and this 911R was the only one produced and sold with this type of engine.

11899001R : white, red lines, 1967 ”BP” Monza Record Run (Spoerry, Steinemann, Siffert, Vogele), > “Tour de France 1971, D. Thiry/R. Witz (Fr), > ? modified “S-T” > 1991 Roy Walzer, via Kerry Morse, restored and painted white with green lines !!” by Jim Newton Automobile Association. (USA, Connecticut). Roy Walzer > Collector in Costa Mesa. > sold to a Collector in L.A., #01 is now on the US West Coast.

11899002P : White, lic. plate: S-04516, Nov. 1967, orig. engine is N°. 508 0004, Gearbox N° 928 4012. During 23 months, Porsche Engineering (Racing dept.) of the factory. No external fuel cap in the center of the front hood. This car was the back-up car (parts) of 001R car during the Monza Record Run, Also seen at the Press Day in Hockenheim with Vic Elford. > Sep 1969 sold, no engine, no gearbox, and Scheel seat set supplied separately par Porsche. New engine, n° 5080022 and gearbox sold also separately to Dr. Mario Daolio, an Italian MD residing in Ethiopia. In 1980, Dr. Daolio retired, and returned to Italia, ..with his 911R. > 1984, sold to collection Jun Euda, Tokyo, Japan > sold Sep 2004, with 32,969kms on the odom. to Symbolic Motor Car Company, via Bill Noon, South CA, USA, La Jolla, CA. > Sold in Oct 2006 to a Belgium collector, car seen many time in action at the Abbeville track, France, i.e.: with Gijs van Lennep driving it.

11899003R : ( ? )

11899004R : white > Porsche > Jo Siffert, > Gaston Hofer (Switzerland, Jan 79, > Collector (France), 1989, Gulf livery (now in France) for sale, sold ?

11899005R : white, lower part of front hood red. Lic. Plate: S-K 2403, 1967 “Tour de Corse”, “Tour de France”, with G. Larrousse. > ? > Jo Siffert (CH), ? filmed during “Le Mans” movie) > 1977, Paul Harrison (in Germany) > 1979, Ron Armour, (CA, USA) > ? > Now : Collier collection (USA)

11899006R : ( ? ) According to internet US forums, this car is in Europe. > ?

11899007R : white, lic. plate: S-YZ 28, “small truck lights” on the hood (in French slang: some time : “lumignons”. Car driven by Ben Pon/Spoerry during Mugello in 1968. > J.M. Fernandez > Palomo > Gargalo > ? > ? Doug Braun, restored in New York, USA.

11899008R : ( ? ) > burned in a garage, sold late 2010 via http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages...1967_911R.html, being restored by Gunnar Racing (USA). See photos: http://www.gunnarracing.com/ and “Projects”

11899009R : ( ? )

11899010R : Manuel Nogueira Pinto (PO)/Joa Andrade Villar > Alex Soler-Roig > Max Pedrazzi.

11899011R : white, > ? > Jeff Zwart, Photographer, California, USA > Jerry Seinfeld, in California (Santa Monica)

11899012R : ( ? )

11899013R : “slate gray”, ordered by Michael Green (source: Excellence Magazine Aug. 1992) > ? > Dirk Layer, resprayed in white > ( ? ) Jack Croul, (Newport Beach, CA, USA).

11899014R : ( ? )

11899015R: “Cadillac gold”, Jim Mc Daniel(USA)/G.Sullivan(USA) Daytona/Sebring 1968. (Was part of Collier Collect. > sold to > ? USA ?

11899016R : ( ? )
11899017R : white, “the 5th Prototype” that was equipped once with a 4 cam engine. > sold Feb. 1970 to Mr. O’ Farrill Avilla, Puerto Rico, USA. > ( ? ) > now equipped with the engine that won the Monza record (N°. 508 0004). n°017, Peter Kitchak Collection, USA, see: http://www.toadhallracing.com/toad-023.html

11899018R : ( ? )

11899019R : “white, with green and orange lines. Imported. by Vasek Polak, in 1968 > brand new, sold Cullen Crabbe (racer IMSA, n°32 son of the movie actor Buster Crabbe), 1978 > Bill Lanphear, Burbank, California. It was restored in 1985 by Dan McLoughlin of AIR (American International Racing) > sold to a collector in Japan, with no engine and no gearbox. 2l engine (type 901/02) et R gearbox installed in 2005 > back to USA, United States, purchased by Symbolic Motorcar Company, San Diego, CA., for sale via Autosport Designs, Inc.

11899020R : “Reventlow blue”, Zipper Porsche (Bev. Hill, CA) order by Woolworth for Lance Reventlow (Scarab team), order cancelled > Vasek Polak Porsche > Bert Olander > Jim Lipps (street only driving) engine failure, repaired 1970 > Keith Bleecher used only on the streets. 1977 > Porsche collector Sam Cabiglio > Matsuda collection (Japan), re-sprayed metal gray ?, 2001> back in USA, back to “Reventlow blue” and part of a collection in USA, ?Blackhawk Museum? > New Jersey, private collector. (In the Autodiva text : Mr. Raj, that seems to drive the car on a regular base ! )


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[gva-sfo]

Some interesting information (IMO) about #001R and the Monza 1967 records:

According to the latest photos posted at Autodiva, it seems very clear that both 001R and 002P came from the factory, (..in rush to take over, in the time allowed by the records rules, after the first tentative with a 906 that aborted because of front suspension failure), we can very well see that both 911R were plain white (light ivory) color and no stripes at arrival.

Side note: the 906 (#906-153) that suffered front suspension problem, was the property of Dieter Spoerry, who was one of the 4 drivers during the records. This car was red with a white stripe and, except the BP and Firestone logos, it was the colors of this car during the 1967 races.

So, the stripes that have been shown in all black & white photos, ..except the two in colors that resurfaced much later, and seems to come from an exhibition in Zurich right after the records (these Monza records were sponsored by BP of Switzerland), are the only known color photos (..at this time), shows 001R with red stripes, not green.

The old question was : Why 001 have been restored with Green stripes ?

Well, first of all, it seems to me that with the limited time available, 001R have most probably not been painted in the spot, in Monza. I’m convinced that the stripes were adhesive material, (and not painting) this like the BP and Firestone logos that have also been applied on the spot (as per these new photos, we can see that both cars arrived in plain white).

I read somewhere that when 001R was restored in East Coast, they found residual green color under the white, and this, together with the BP colors, seems to have been at the base of the decision to go for green stripes.

The question could be then: Were the green color found could come from ?
Well, in 1971, a French driver, Dominique Thiry, won the “Grand National” of the “Tour de France” with a 911R (racing number 376). There are very good guesses that this car was 001R. At the time of this race, ..this R was green !
If the above assumptions are correct, this could explain the presence of the green left over, that led to a wrong choice at restoration time for the stripes of 001R !

I can add that the 4 drivers that were beyond these records tentative were all Swiss drivers (Joseph Siffert, Charles Vögele, Dieter Spoerry and Rico Steinemann) ..and the Swiss colors are red and white (a white cross over a red background, ..not to mistake with the “Red Cross”, (founded by a Swiss gentlemen named Henri Dunand), that ..reversed the Swiss flag colors!

A post that is a bit like digging into the history, but, I felt that this may interesting some of the readers, ..in this Ultimate R Thread !

[Flieger]

Wow, how about that. Thanks for the history lesson. It is fun to discover those little details.