Questions about early '71 production

[turbochad]

My car is a very early '71 production car. Part of my winter project is to assemble a history of the car and figure out some things and I hope that some of the members here can help me.

"Milt" is a '71 T Targa Vin # 9111110024. The build date on the driver's door sticker is 7/70. I can't remember exactly but I think the production number under the dash ended in 0013. I believe from talking with past owners that the car was sold by Brumos and was serviced there until the early 90's. It doesn't seem to have any of the improvements that were meant to be on '71 model year cars. The fuel pump is in front behind the tank, no three speed wipers, no twist nob on the glove box. I am not sure if the pans are zinc coated or not, but they are not rusted. What other things are different on the '70 vs. '71 that I can compare? (oil squirters aside) There are no tabs for the electronics cover in the engine compartment, and I am guessing that if there was a marken weltmeister sticker it was probably a '69 only and from what I found in other posts was on the windshield because there is no hint of one on the rear targa window. (windshield is not original). I am awaiting a COA to verify the trim and options. Oh yea one last thing, the car has 15" deep six heart fuchs dated 4/70. Is it reasonable that these could be original to the car based on build date. Has anyone seen a '71 with deep heart fuchs as OE?

A few questions:
1. Is it likely that this car was produced on the first production day?
2. What marked the change in production if everything on the car is '70 spec.? Was it just a day they changes Vin plates and used up the old parts first before changing to the revised spec?
3. Does anybody here know Milton Evans? He was the earliest owner that I can identify. He bought the car up in Jacksonville and was friends with Bob Snodgrass (sp?). I have not been able to contact him (Milton) to find out who the owner was before him (not sure if he is still alive). Apparently, at one point Milton's son Dave had another 911 that was one Vin # from this one, I think it was 0025. I was told he parted it out in the 90's. What are the chances of that?

Thanks for any information you can help with.
Chad

[Harvey Weidman]

Chad,
Your wheels may be correct. Three months could be a little far apart though. Does it have the rest of the S package? If not it probably had steel.
We have restored two 71s with earlier (heart) type wheels as origonal spares. Also we have restored a 71 with two heart and two non heart. They were the same part number and feely exchanged.
H

[turbochad]

Harvey,
Thanks for your reply. It does have the S appearance group so it may be original. These wheels will be coming your way soon once I get the car up on jacks.
Thanks,
Chad

[911T1971]

1. Is it likely that this car was produced on the first production day?
2. What marked the change in production if everything on the car is '70 spec.? Was it just a day they changes Vin plates and used up the old parts first before changing to the revised spec?

Chad,
1. what I recall is that 70MY production went until end of July 1970 and 71MY restarted only approx. August 16th 1970.
In between there was a two-week factory holiday which date was similar to Stuttgart/BW county holidays.
There are also infos about a VIN cut-off date of July 1st even the factory continued to produce cars until
the official holiday break on July 30th.
see also here:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...sition&page=14
about july VIN's on 65/66 cars:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...sition&page=13

2. There are other 71MY around which carry 70MY items even they are built in October or November of 1970, for example my 9111101037 (built late Nov. 70) still came with Webers and not Zenith carbs.
Also, in 1970/71 the factory had a strike (info: Christophorus) and sales/ economy was low because high DM-$ exchange rate which might added up to some inconsistencys in production including cars and 70MY items stayed in storage for a longer time period.

[Chuck Miller]

If this helps...

Here's a sticker on a 'three digit' '71E # 0168 built in Sept. 70....

[giaz]

Mine is 9111300014 (2.2S coupe) and it does not have the twist knob on the glove box. I believe they must have been built in the same week!

[boxster03]

Here is the COA from my 1970MY built on 7/10/1970. I do not believe I have ever seen a 71MY with a door jamb sticker dated 07/70. It will be interesting to see your COA for the date of production in July.

[turbochad]

Here is the COA from my 1970MY built on 7/10/1970. I do not believe I have ever seen a 71MY with a door jamb sticker dated 07/70. It will be interesting to see your COA for the date of production in July.

Boxter03- Thank you and the others for your posts. I find this very interesting and I appreciate your information.

While we are waiting for the COA here is the jamb decal showing 7/70. Was the build date established when the car was completed and coming off the line? How long was a car on the line? Thanks, this is really interesting and makes for cool history.

No word back from Brumos (I has to leave a message when I called). Has anyone else had any experience trying to find out about early cars from selling dealerships?

[turbochad]

Mine is 9111300014 (2.2S coupe) and it does not have the twist knob on the glove box. I believe they must have been built in the same week!

Giaz,
What is your build date? Is it before or after the August holiday. they may have been built on the same day! I can't wait to get my COA.

Question for the experts: the production number stamped on the dash by the ashtray, is that more informative as to the sequence of the cars on the line than the VIN or was it just another number used to track the car in the factory before the VIN was assigned?

Would there have been anything special to the dealers to have a new model year car essentially a month ahead of the regular production start? Was there any dealer preference shown by Porsche for early production cars? I am wondering if this could be one of the first cars of the '71 model year in the states? It wouldn't have been that big of a deal given that there were no real differences just bragging rights

[davep]

The production number was more of a body number for the body assembly shop, and is certainly independant of the model type. The VIN codes in the model. On some years there is yet another production number stamped into the tunnel under the gearshift coupler access cover; 1968 & 1969 are two years I have info on. The format is different between those two years. While the dash # and the tunnel number are similar, they are typically not the same. So why would they have two production numbers on the same body?