Numbers matching (except trans.)

[Six Gun]

I have just learned that the transmission that is in my car is not the one delivered on the COA. The car is finishing a complete restoration including a 2.7 up grade from Henry at Supertek.

nut and bolt restoration by CPR in Fallbrook, 1972 T. How much does this subtract from the value of the car, if at all?

Thanks for the imput!

[Eade Hopkinson]

I have just learned that the transmission that is in my car is not the one delivered on the COA. The car is finishing a complete restoration including a 2.7 up grade from Henry at Supertek.

nut and bolt restoration by CPR in Fallbrook, 1972 T. How much does this subtract from the value of the car, if at all?

Thanks for the imput!

First, you will hear many people chime in that the COA is not always correct, and in fact many times it is not correct. So, the first thing would be to ask them to recheck their records. My all original 73S was said to have a black headliner, which was totally wrong. Once they researched it, yep, it was white, they made a mistake. Just one example, I am sure you will hear of others. With that said, trans is not as important as the original motor, just my .02 cents worth.

[Six Gun]

Eade,

Thanks for the input, you are right of course (kind of like car/fax) Do you think I should disclose it if I were to sell it? or just forget about it?

[tfmcmahon]

Eade,

Thanks for the input, you are right of course (kind of like car/fax) Do you think I should disclose it if I were to sell it? or just forget about it?

I would like to know what was disclosed to you by CPR.Was it described as a matching nmbers car? Tom

[Six Gun]

Tom
Car was not misrepresented by CPR, discovery came a year later while I was tracking down POs.

[Eade Hopkinson]

Eade,

Thanks for the input, you are right of course (kind of like car/fax) Do you think I should disclose it if I were to sell it? or just forget about it?

I always believe in telling all I know about any car I am selling. This is a hobby to me, so I want to keep the Karma good

[davep]

I think it would have a substantial value loss on say a $100K car perhaps to the tune of 10%. And only if it was the only item that was not truely original. Since you are doing an engine upgrade, the value difference would be essentially non-existent by itself.

[tfiv]

I don't think it's much of an issue, especially on a hot rodded T.

[jaudette3]

My theory regarding matching numbers...

The importance of matching numbers is directly correlated with the degree to which the car is viewed as a collectible. One possible scale would look like this:

COLLECTIBLE 911S < 10 ---- 7 ---- 5 ---- 3 ---- 1> DRIVER 911S

A "10" is a car that is highly desirable as a collectible, a desirability that is usually matched by a high market valuation. Not only is a 10 all matching numbers, matching numbers are part of what defines a 10, along with other markers of high originality, such as original paint.

Moving down the scale prices decrease and so does the need for everything to be original. Maybe some leeway for a non-matching transmission, for a respray, for recovered seats.

At #1, who cares? The car is simply driven.

Where you can get in trouble from a financial point of view is when you pay a price higher than is warranted by the position of the car on the collectibility scale.

I've watched myself change a lot over the years in terms of the type of cars that I prefer. I started by acquiring cars close to the 10 level and now I'm much less concerned with that - I'm primarily interested in cars that are outstanding drivers. I guess I just don't have the collector gene (I have never really collected anything). Also, I think I was a little insecure in my knowledge at first and I felt safe buying collectible cars. Over time I've become more interested in building cars that I enjoy driving - and you can't really do much of that with a collectible. Plus it's so damn nerve-wracking to drive one, always worrying about a mishap.

To someone like me who is not at the #10 level a non-matching transmission is of no signifigance.

Cheers,
JohnA