Value differences T vs S

[RS-GT]

Hi,
I had some argumentations with my brother and a friend about early 911 values. We were comparing to cars :

1- 72 T coupe, all S options per COA, (except no sport seats on COA, but in car now) Matching# engine (but rebuilt to S spec with PMO), original tranny, Complete ground up professionnal restoration (in/out and under ; powder coated, replated or rechromed parts) with common performance upgrades (polybronze, bigger sway/torsion bars, alum. trailing arms,...) Originally metalic blue but now orange

2- 70 S coupe, 2.4 S spec (but on a T block) with 915 tranny, same restoration level and same performance upgrades as the first car. Original sport seats, Euro set-up (H1, lenses, 300 kph), TTG, 10k tach, 380mm wheel w/puck, welded 7R fuchs in back,... Originally red but now orange too.

What will be the value difference between these 2 cars ? in % or in $ ?
10k-20k-30k-40k ???

Thanks to help get a beer on this one !
Regards
JD

[jaudette3]

I'll take a shot...

+ $15,000 for the '70S. It would be more but it suffers a lot from the non-original T engine and the non-original transmission. If I had to buy one of those I would buy the '72 T over the S in a heartbeat. Same performance, neither very high on the collector car scale, same driving experience - why pay a premium for a letter?

FWIW,
JohnA

[Longballa]

They've both been modified to a point with color changes and such that brings them closer in price. The 70S as John said not having the original engine hurts. If your going for a modified car than the choice for me would be which color I liked best and set up. The S is still worth more regardless though I'd say to the tune of $ 10,000 to $ 15,000 more.

[boba]

I think this comes down to which car you like better, if as in this scenario presented. Both cars have been modified to the point that they are drivers to be enjoyed.

The '72 has lost its MFI so it is not an S spec. What parts used in the build? Color change, how well was it done? Some nice bits added.

The '70S without the 2.2S and 901 has lost its soul. It still has the VIN, BUT. What is the configuration on the 2.4, build sheet as above? Color change, again, how well done? Again this car has some nice bits.

For me these would be acquired to drive and any premium, if there is any, would be solely based on the quality of the work presented.

So if both built the same standard NO Premium.

[curtisaa]

So if both built the same standard NO Premium.

I agree. Both cars are highly modified, NON-owiginal. Altho, edge mite go to the R-wheeled car

[RS-GT]

Thanks for your input Guys ; I understand your point because the non matching# and the changes (color, parts,...) of both cars.

To conclude about that ; let's say we take the two cars, 72T and 70S, built to the same professionnal high level, according to COA, both with period correct motor (but non matching#). If we take a guess that the S worth 80k ; does the T will worth 50k ? more or less ?

Thanks !

JD

[rick@cbx.com]

appreciate the debate, but who cares. There are so many modified 911's on the market that the values are blurred from one year to the next. Lets talk original.

FYI: its not fully restored if it ain't original

[letsrollbabe]

There will always be a debate over 'original' vs. modified cars. For me, I would much rather drive a modified 72T with, say a 2.7 MFI engine and slightly improved suspension for handling than a stock S of any year. If both cars are 'renewed' (if you don't like the term 'restored') to high levels, I would not pay more for the S, but many would I am sure. It comes down to personal preference, not herd mentality for me.

Here's another scenario to consider of a similar nature. If a guy uses Sports Purpose equipment as spec'd by the factory for a 'renewal', I would argue that the resulting ride would be worth more than a comparable S. Consider Flunder's 'Another Hot Rod' thread. Will his ST recreation be worth more than a 'restored' S? Yes, in a heartbeat for me.

Gib

[a911s]

Gotta agree with Gib. For me, 2.7MFI is more fun than any stock early S.

Color change, modified engine, non-matching engine - the lines are so blurred on those two cars that it's a toss up for me on value. I'd pick the bastard S for desirability of driving though - then I'd build a 2.7 out of that 2.4.

[letsrollbabe]

There is currently a 73S in the Cars for Sale section listed by John Wilhoit for $85k that has been 'renewed' to a very high level....a beautiful car for sure. It has been modified with RS flares and the original 7R engine rebuilt to 2.7 RS (MFI) specs, sport seats, etc.

http://willhoit356.smugmug.com/Other...65885805_GYfKo

Lets assume it sells for that price. What comparable value would you place on a 72 or 73 T done in its original color of Light Yellow, (or Viper Green, or Tangerine) with a 2.7 RS spec engine in a 7R case (not original to car) if it were 'renewed' to exactly the same level?

Similar question to original in this thread, but with some key differences for the S (orig. engine case, color).

Gib