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    Quite Possibly the All-time Stupid Question

    OK, here goes....

    Were the doors the same or different on SWB Coupes and Targas?

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    I've taken apart both coupes and targas, and as far as I could tell, the door shells are the same, but the windows and window frames are different. I don't know if there are internal differences between years, I know the regulators were changed, not sure if the mount points changed, and you should check to see if the area where the handles mount changed at all over the years as the shape of the handle changed.

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    Same door shell, I lay claim to stoopidest question

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    It's basically the same door shell, but it might need some welding if they are from different years. Besides the difference in spacing of the regulator do early SWB doors have a smaller door lock hole than the later one's.

    So probably the correct answer is if the doors are from the same year, targa and coupe are identical. If they are from different years some work (welding) might be needed.

    just my $.02 (from experience).

    Richard

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    Yes, the doors have sheetmetal welded into the end of the window channel to avoid a visible gap. Of course the Targa doesn't have a rear window post, so a little strip of metal is put at the top of the door to close up the gap where the post is on a coupe.

    I quote the Late, Great Roland Kunz:

    The generaly shape ( the outher skin ) is the same from 65-98 but the innner structur changed several times.
    The front hood canged in 74 massivly and also has some little chages in 89 ( trunk light ) and 94 ( Washer nozzles in trunklid ).

    The inner door skin changed in this main spoting phases:

    65-68 the rear from the door has a rised area where the door lock sits.

    69-79 flat rear end and some holes with sliding flat nuts for the door pockets. one hole more for the wireloom ( Electric winder ).
    The door stop area is changed.
    71- the mounting screws for the rear lock changed from M5 to M6 needing a deeper recces
    73- US only, reinforcement beam, big hole for the alarm lock
    77- relocation from the mirror holes and one more hole for wireloom ( mirror ) again. The sliding nuts where removed, the door pocktes use plastic anchors for the screws.
    80- reinforcement beam standard ROW, more holes for new winder system reinforced door stop area.

    85-89 The two holes for the upper frame mount in the rear changed to a long cutout. The upper front end was changed the recesed area helps the mirrorswitch a support brace will hold the upper cover. The door will now carry a two way speaker system and the door pockets where slightly shortent on the front end so the front is screwed direct to the skin and not indirect via the little plastic cube. The backend has two little holes for the internal door mechanismen cover. The door locks are mountet with reinforcment washers. The rear door pocket anchor area is reinforced from the backside

    89-94 (964) big hole on the frontend to run the new wireloom

    94-98 (993) big hole on the underside for the windowframemounting. some holes more for internals.

    Porsche always replaced the stocks with newer doors so you always had to modify the new doors to the old versions or just boltet it up as it is. The 993 door will fit into the 65 body and all the holes are in it or marked to be drilled up.
    If you use a 89- door the interiour light switch will not work correct.

    Fiting a 65 door into a 993 is big work.

    Grüsse
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    Quote Originally Posted by 66S View Post
    I lay claim to stoopidest question
    Sorry - don't mean to step on any toes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 304065 View Post
    I quote the Late, Great Roland Kunz:
    I know Roland hasn't posted for a long, long time but I hadn't mention seen anywhere that he'd actually passed away (although I don't visit Pelican as often as I used to) - is that definitely the case John ?
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    How about fenders?

    That post from Mr. Kunz is great. Does anyone have a similar breakdown of fender variation year by year?

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