S or L what is the correct answer...

[GTS]

Hi All,
Friend of mine found a 1968 Targa, body is in great shape, underbody was already taken care of most bit's and pieces are there.
The guys is asking a sum for the car in that stage that we all now...complete car with gearboxes,engine,interior shot,rubber shot, glas ok....
Here the facts
1968 911 L Targa Sportomatic
VIN 11855122
901/08 matching aluminum S engine and matching sportomatic transmission. sportomatic
barly rolling, underbody done,suspension has top be taken care of, engine has to be rebuilt,interior has to be done new,
So he wants to have some guideline, some assurance that what he is buying is worth it.
From my point of view an excellent starter for his first restoration as everything is there and he wants an early S.
From the facts that I know, was that Porsche had problems with emission in 1968 and imported 911 s labelt as L's as the engine is the correct 160PS Weber unit.
Can someone shed a bit of light onto this and give him the assurance that he is buying a rare car and what an gestimated value would be once completed.
He has a few other 911 and they are all very nice so I am sure this one will be close to concour once completed.....

[orange911]

Well, the engine and sporto combination are rare, but they do not match the vin. The vin is for a 911L Targa which came with either a 901/14 or 901/17 (sporto) motor. The S Targa series ended with vin 11850442.

[davep]

One of only 134 911L Targa's for the US market, even more rare with Sportomatic.
Wrong engine for the car though. Can you get me the engine serial & build #'s please.

[MarkS]

A correct 68L sporto should have a 130 HP 901/07 engine not a 160 HP 901/08 sporto S engine.

[72targa]

Is this reference incorrect? It would indicate that this is a Karmann-bodied 1968 911S Targa:

http://www.elferhelfer.com/fzident/fzident68.htm

[GTS]

the engine number started with 41800XX didn't write it down, but 901/08 is definete....

[jpnovak]

The plot thickens. According to this 911L thread it should be a USA 911L targa.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...1968-911l.html

There is also reference to an Excellence article:
"I saw the same article in Excellence and the scentance that says (there was also a US version of the 911L which was essentially the same as the 911S) "

It would be interesting to see the build sheet/CoA for this car.

Reference material from the linked PP thread:



http://www.adelgigs.com/911vin%20numbers.shtml

1965
VIN from To
911 Coupé 901 (1964) 300 001 - 300 235
911 Coupé (1965) 300 326 - 303 390
VIN from To
912 Coupé Karmann 450 001 - 458 000


1966
VIN from To
911 Coupé 303 391 - 305 100
VIN from To
912 Coupé 350 001 - 353 592
912 Coupé Karmann 458 001 - 458 100


1967
VIN from To
911 Coupé et Coupé S 305 101 - 307 522
911 S Coupé (try) 310 001
911 S Coupé (try) 320 001 - 320 009
911 Coupé (4 places) 320 010 - 320 020
911 Targa (try) 330 001
911 Targa and S Targa 500 001 - 500 718
912 VIN from To
912 Coupé 354 001 - 355 601
912 Coupé Karmann 458 101 - 463 204
912 Targa 550 001 - 550 544

1968 (A Series)
VIN from To
911 S Coupé 118 0 0001 - 118 0 1267
911 L Coupé US 118 0 5001 - 118 0 5449
911 L Coupé 118 1 0001 - 118 0 0720
911 T Coupé 118 2 0001 - 118 2 0928
911 T Coupé Karmann 118 2 5001 - 118 2 5683
911 S Coupé US 118 3 0001 - 118 3 0473
911 S Coupé US Karmann 118 3 5001 - 118 3 5742
911 S Targa 118 5 0001 - 118 5 0442
911 L Targa US 118 5 5001 - 118 5 5134
911 L Targa 118 6 0001 - 118 6 0307
911 T Targa 118 7 0001 - 118 7 0521
911 Targa US 118 8 0001 - 118 8 0268
911 R Coupé 118 9 9001 - 118 9 9020
912 VIN from To
912 Coupé Karmann 128 0 0001 - 128 0 5598
912 Coupé 128 2 0001 - 128 2 0427
912 Targa

AND:

http://www.early911s.com/ (click on chassis #, then Production number).

Year Model Body Variant Serial start - finish Production
1964 normal Coupe 300001 300232 232
1965 normal Coupe 300233 303390 3158
1966 normal Coupe 303391 305100 1710
1967 normal Coupe 305101 308522 1600
1967 normal Targa 500001 500718 235
1967 S Targa 500001S 500718S 483
1967 S Coupe 305101S 308523S 1823
1968 L Coupe 11810001 11810720 720
1968 L Targa 11860001 11860307 307
1968 L Coupe USA 11805001 11805449 449
1968 L Targa USA 11855001 11855134 134
1968 T Coupe 11820001 11820928 928
1968 T Coupe Karmann 11825001 11825683 683
1968 T Coupe USA 11830001 11830473 473

[edmayo]

Interesting combination here, all 911 L USA engines had a black fan housing and an air pump pulley driven from the left cam. This engine appears to have a red fan housing and I don't see an air pump pulley. Euro engine in US car?

[davep]

Is this reference incorrect? It would indicate that this is a Karmann-bodied 1968 911S Targa:

http://www.elferhelfer.com/fzident/fzident68.htm

No, it is not correct, and the other lists also seem to have errors.
I believe this list is most accurate

300001 to 304959 Coupe 1965 & 1966 (split about 301900)
305101 to 308523 Coupe 1967 911 & 911S
500001 to 500718 Targa 1967 911 & 911S

11880001 to 11880268 USA Targa 911
11835001 to 11835742 USA Coupe K 911
11830001 to 11830473 USA Coupe 911
11855001 to 11855134 USA Targa 911L
11805001 to 11805449 USA Coupe 911L

11820001 to 11820928 ROW Coupe 911T
11825001 to 11825683 ROW Coupe K 911T
11870001 to 11870521 ROW Targa 911T

11810001 to 11810720 ROW Coupe 911L
11860001 to 11860307 ROW Targa 911L

11800001 to 11801267 ROW Coupe 911S
11850001 to 11850442 ROW Targa 911S

11899001 to 11899020 911R

[72targa]

No, it is not correct, and the other lists also seem to have errors.
I believe this list is most accurate

300001 to 304959 Coupe 1965 & 1966 (split about 301900)
305101 to 308523 Coupe 1967 911 & 911S
500001 to 500718 Targa 1967 911 & 911S

11880001 to 11880268 USA Targa 911
11835001 to 11835742 USA Coupe K 911
11830001 to 11830473 USA Coupe 911
11855001 to 11855134 USA Targa 911L
11805001 to 11805449 USA Coupe 911L

11820001 to 11820928 ROW Coupe 911T
11825001 to 11825683 ROW Coupe K 911T
11870001 to 11870521 ROW Targa 911T

11810001 to 11810720 ROW Coupe 911L
11860001 to 11860307 ROW Targa 911L

11800001 to 11801267 ROW Coupe 911S
11850001 to 11850442 ROW Targa 911S

11899001 to 11899020 911R

Thanks. What is the reference book that has the above info?