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[HughH]

Rick
there is no science in this but Zoll plates 428 Z 9743 and 428 Z 9869 were fitted to two ST's that were made in very early March 1970 and had vin numbers about 100 units above 1059 - so it is entirely possible but by no means conclusive

[LongRanger]

Hey, Hugh . . .

. . . very interesting --- and thanks for that!


What got me thinking was this comment . . .

. . . it's my understanding that both Porsche & M-Benz had German customs dept's on site in the factory during this period issuing these plate . . .

Never seen this reference to 'German customs dept' anywhere, else. So, if that's the case, then my thinking is that Porsche may have a record of this Zoll plate being issued to 1059

Your comments would help with the date. My understanding is that Zoll plates are 'temporary,' only for cars being exported --- + only good for a few months? So, if that is a '70 Le Mans 'parking' sticker in the windshield, then that would date the photo to sometime ~/>13-14 June, 1970 --- the date for the race, that year



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[Eric Gratz]

The Steve McQueen 1970 911S 9110301502 had Zoll plates 428 Z 9705

https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...he-911-S/page4

I think, and this is just a guess, the Stuttgart plate S-B 2795 was installed for filming in place of the oval Zoll plates. It was probably issued years earlier since S-C XXXX plates were used on the 1968 factory Monte Carlo race cars.



I wonder if the car at the Siffert dealership could be the Steve McQueen 911S…. A sharper photo could be very interesting.

Edit. Found a sharper photo showing 428 Z 9705 along with FR10032.

[HughH]

and here (from much earlier in this thread) is another photo of FR10032 at the Solar film site that Karim posted. A green car - while Siffert had 2 green 911's what are the odds that this is your car in both these photos Rick?

[LongRanger]

. . . I was afraid of something like this! . . .

. . . plate-swapping!

. . . The Steve McQueen 1970 911S 9110301502 had Zoll plates 428 Z 9705

https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...he-911-S/page4

I think, and this is just a guess, the Stuttgart plate S-B 2795 was installed for filming in place of the oval Zoll plates. It was probably issued years earlier since S-C XXXX plates were used on the 1968 factory Monte Carlo race cars . . .

. . . I wonder if the car at the Siffert dealership could be the Steve McQueen 911S . . .

. . . Found a sharper photo showing 428 Z 9705 along with FR10032 . . .

Awesome photo, Eric! --- the full/original image without Missbauer's watermark . . .

Now --- where to start? . . .


First-off --- the Zoll-plated car in the forecourt clearly has rectangular, under-the-bumper square fog lights . . . which completely rules-out 1059. There's zero evidence on the car of either the switch or the lamps ever being installed

That vehicle also has Euro-spec headlights + no wheel-well trim . . . which I would think discounts it being Stevo's.

As for the car at the far left, under the awning? . . . Euro lights + no bumper horns = . . .


. . . yet ANOTHER Siffert 911?


Looking at that Zoll plate --- and comparing it to the plates Hugh mentioned . . .

. . . I'm getting the feeling that any identifications based on any plates . . .

. . . are suspect


'Cause it seems that --- between Mr Siffert and Porsche? . . .


. . . plates are just a matter of convenience only --- = not to be trusted or relied upon for identification


More curious than ever, now, about what information is in the Archives



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[LongRanger]

. . . and here (from much earlier in this thread) is another photo of FR10032 at the Solar film site that Karim posted. A green car - while Siffert had 2 green 911's what are the odds that this is your car in both these photos Rick?
. . .

Hey, Hugh . . .

. . . I remember when I first saw that image . . . the excitement

I can't be completely sure --- but? . . . I don't think that's 1059


There is that famous photo of Mr Siffert sitting in another 911 --- possibly green, lighter-colored interior, sun roof + elec windows, rear wiper . . .
https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...l=1#post697457

. . . that --- if you look carefully . . . has a 'Solar Productions' sticker (McQueen's movie company) . . . on the pass-side windshield


I think this is the car that Mr Siffert took to the set of 'Le Mans' . . . and it's the car that appears in the photo we're referring to


This 911 has never been identified



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[LongRanger]

. . . that famous photo of Mr Siffert sitting in another 911 --- possibly green, lighter-colored interior, sun roof + elec windows, rear wiper . . .
https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...l=1#post697457

. . . This 911 has never been identified . . .

Some other views --- of this same car? . . . at different car parks, on the set of 'Le Mans' . . .

. . . notice the 'CH' stickers? --- on the middle of the engine covers . . .


. . . = Siffert?




Anyway --- I believe Keyser wrote that Mr Siffert was involved in supplying race cars for the movie . . . as well as street cars for the principles (Director, cast, etc) . . .
https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...ght=9111100804

Given his status as a dealer, I would imagine Mr Siffert would make whatever arrangements he could to get them to the set

And so, now --- seeing all this promiscuity of plates . . . makes me think the only way to reliably ID his own/actual/personal vehicles is to look for that 'CH'


Makes me think there may be LOTS of 'Siffert' Porsches out there

I mean --- who's to say he kept any of them? . . .


. . . he was a dealer, after all



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[uai]

it's my understanding that both Porsche & M-Benz had German customs dept's on site in the factory during this period issuing these plate.

Never seen this reference to 'German customs dept' anywhere, else.

And that's for a reason. It's BS.
Although Zollamt wasn't very far from Mercedes Works.

[LongRanger]

Hey, Eric . . .

. . . what is this document? . . .

. . . and do you know where did it come from?

Size looks familiar --- + I noticed the perforations on the left side + a page number at the bottom . . .

. . . was this torn out of something? . . . like, the maintenance book?


Thank you



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[uai]

The Steve McQueen 1970 911S 9110301502 had Zoll plates 428 Z 9705
I think, and this is just a guess, the Stuttgart plate S-B 2795 was installed for filming in place of the oval Zoll plates.

Seems a good thought I can see no stamp on the plate. There should be an inkstamp with the prancing Horse