Porsche 911L 1968 901/30 Racing-Rally

[Chuck Miller]

Let me clarify about the Santa Barbara program...

- It is the program I received when I attended the race when I was 19 in '68

- Don Pike's signature on the cover is only about 2 years old, when he signed it at a Fabulous Fifties event.

- I held on to the program for about 30 years when I started meeting and re-acquainted myself with some of the heroes of my youth.

- I eventually showed my old program to Topper Chassie, Milt Minter, Davey Jordan, and Scooter Patrick. They all came to conclusion that that driver was Pike.......

- Years later when I showed Don Pike the program to have him sign he said "Where the hell did you get that" he did not confirm or deny he was on the cover.

Now,

My sincere apologies for making an unsubstantiated statement...

On further examination of my 2 1968 SCCA programs there seems to be more then enough evidence to establish that Alan Johnson was driving a 911 for Don Burns in 1968 in both C/Production and B/Sedan.

This ad for Economotors in my '68 Riverside SCCA National program pretty much confirms driver to car........

Again, my apologies for making inference into fact for far too long a time.......

Chuck

[Rennman]

Appologies not needed Chuck. Wish it was the same car. Who knows where it is today.........Pike's car surfaced after 40 plus years so you never know.

Don

[Thomas lundeval]

Here is some more information for those who are not so familiar with what the engine number 388XXXX and gearbox numbers 928XXXXX means. Second digit of engine number is 8 and then it is a "sondermotoren", in English specialty engine. Gearbox first figure, in this case is 9 and it is a "sondergetribe" (special gearbox).

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[Rennman]

I just dug up a Road and Track article from 1968 that mentions that THREE of these cars were ordered from the Southern California Porsche Distributor at the same time, one for Alan Johnson to race for Don Burns, one for Vasek Polak and one for Don Pike. Only the Pike car is known. Does anyone have any leads on the Burns or Vasek cars?? Interestingly the article which is about Alan Johnson's 67S shows the super rare Speedster type buckets in Alan's 67. Also these cars weighed 2,060 vs 2,250 for a standard car.

Don

[Rennman]

The article is misleading as the Rally Kit/Sport Kit cars for 68 were based on the L or the T. The S was dropped in 68 in favor of the T Rally. This was published in the Sports Purpose manual and order bullitens. I did own an Italian 68S Sport Kit/Rally Kit car so I guess anything was possible but from all of the cars I have seen here in the US they were either the L or the T Rally for 68. My car was referenced in the article and it is the L not an S.

Don

[Thomas lundeval]

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Found this 911L in German mobile side, it has the VIN number 11810404. Does anyone know if it can be a car that was equipped with 388xxxx engine. Perhaps one of the German readers know?

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/sh...e&pageNumber=1

[Aldo]

"-O'Neill's acquisition proved unique. Though badged as a
911S, it duplicat..."
Raj- the article was just getting to the matter when you stopped
the copy!?

[davep]

Thomas, the VIN is close to the other cars, but from the description it sounds more like a recreation than an original car. A look at the Kardex for it would be important. Also, you need to get the numbers from the car to see what it currently has in it.

[peekaboo]

The article is misleading as the Rally Kit/Sport Kit cars for 68 were based on the L or the T. The S was dropped in 68 in favor of the T Rally. This was published in the Sports Purpose manual and order bullitens. I did own an Italian 68S Sport Kit/Rally Kit car so I guess anything was possible but from all of the cars I have seen here in the US they were either the L or the T Rally for 68. My car was referenced in the article and it is the L not an S.

Don

"I did own an Italian 68S Sport Kit/Rally Kit car so I guess anything was possible" (12-21-2010 06:04 PM / Rennman) .....................


followed by :

"Factory ducumentation exists that no 68S Rally kit cars were to be produced." (12-22-2010 06:20 PM #27 / Rennman)
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These two statements by the same person are quite contradictory.

If there's documentation - provide it. Otherwise it just seems self forfilling .

Although if your previous statement regarding owning a 1968 S model built with rallykit is true. Then even if some paperwork was produced . Showing in writing , that it was the factories plan not to produce any. That does not mean it was adhered to. Again , if your statement is fact , about this italian car..............


I know Claudius Z. specialises in 1968. If there is a question regarding anything 1968 911. I would ask him.

[Rennman]

It is contradictory. My Italian car was an anomoly. It was a fully trimmed ,undercoated S with Rally Kit and Sport Kit 2. It even had a radio and full sound deadening ect. It was special ordered by a group of 6 Italian rally drivers (Kardex confirmed) I have the US bullitin that shows the 68S Rally Kit was discontinued for 68. The person who gave it to me, a board member asked that it not get posted. The T Rally was the replacement with the S engine and stripped T body. If you reread what I stated from all accounts the Factory special cars that competed in the USA were all Ls or Ts. The Sport kit 2 was a small option consisting of exhaust megaphones, carb jets and venturis, carb tables and a catch can. A great option to have on a car today but not as desirable as Rally Kit car. The Rally Kit was the big option which transformed the car. A car ordered with the Rally Kit often had alot of other options ordered with it to go racing. The T became a different and much more valuable animal with this one option. These Rally Kit cars trade for 10 to 15 times the value of an ordinary L or T. A car with just the Sport Kit adds some value but not in multiples. The article that I cited though written about a 67S mentioned a new batch of three cars being ordered for 68. Where it was misleading was it would make one beleive it was an S they were describing. I own one of the cars the article mentioned and it is an L not an S. Another interesting note the documentation that I have states Sport kit can not be ordered without the rally Kit for 68 which I do not think was adheared to. I stand by my research that there were no 68S Rally Kit cars sent to the US for competition and I doubt there were any full optioned 68S Rally Kit cars raced anywhere else either. Don Pike owned and raced multiple cars at the same time, as did Herb Wetenson, Bruce Jennings, Vasek Polak, Peter Gregg, just to name a few. The R had no where to race in the USA or anywhere else in GT. It had to be raced as a prototype where it was not competitive which I guess was a good thing as many remain today. These original very important 911s started the legacy for Porsche in GT racing which is why Porsche started the Sports Purpose program in the first place. It firmly established the 911 in GT racing.

Don