FS: @eBay - 1969 911S Soft Window Targa

[LiveFromNY]

Not mine...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...-/321084091768

Zero feedback seller. Tiny photos. Lists the engine as a 2.7. Real deal? Scam?

[Badhabits]

ask for VIN-/Engin-Number and title and we will see

Greets René

[NorthernThrux]

Says 2.7L in the Ad....

[swordfish]

I saw this ad yesterday. Can anyone verify if the car was ever offered to the public with the advertised soft rear window and the 2.7L engine. I've never seen or heard of these options offered in a 1969S model. I thought the Targa soft window was ended, by Porsche, in 1968 and the largest displacement offered in 1969 was the 2.0 911S motor?

[LiveFromNY]

There were a very few 911S soft window targas sold in 2009. It's a bit of a mystery how few. Perhaps as few as six.

'69 cars had the 2.0 engines.

[curtisaa]

One thing for sure about the validity of the Ebay ad is that there were NOT "92" 1969 911S SWT's made by the factory that year. As a factual reference, the Porsche factory did NOT delineate plastic window Targas' VS glass window Targas'.

[VintageExcellen]

no records were kept by the factory on soft window production unfortunatly, they did not have a option code or official offering for the plastic window but if you asked for it then you could get it on a long wheel base car for 69. Almost no one wanted the plastic window and a couple of the 69 SWT cars were actually mistakes. It is possible to fake one but the guys in the know can spot factory installed soft window mounts/traits, etc. I have a 69S SWT for sale this summer that would blow this car away. My guess on production numbers of these cars is in the 10-20 range based on what I have seen in the world, but who knows. I have said in the past:

"The novelty of the plastic rear window was a nuisance when they were new since owners relied on these cars for year round daily driving, however, this nuisance of the past is now the delight of today as these cars are only seldom driven and highly collectible."

[curtisaa]

no records were kept by the factory on soft window production unfortunatly, they did not have a option code or official offering for the plastic window but if you asked for it then you could get it on a long wheel base car for 69. Almost no one wanted the plastic window and a couple of the 69 SWT cars were actually mistakes. It is possible to fake one but the guys in the know can spot factory installed soft window mounts/traits, etc. I have a 69S SWT for sale this summer that would blow this car away. My guess on production numbers of these cars is in the 10-20 range based on what I have seen in the world, but who knows. I have said in the past:

"The novelty of the plastic rear window was a nuisance when they were new since owners relied on these cars for year round daily driving, however, this nuisance of the past is now the delight of today as these cars are only seldom driven and highly collectible."

Interesting hyperbole. The fact of the matter of plastic windows is that all convertables, domestic and foreign, in 1969, were plastic and vinyl. All the MG, Triumph, MB, Jaguar, Corvettes, et;al were made with the same material. The change over with the plastic windows to glass had more to do with DOT requirements here in the USA, where the vast majority of SWT's ended up, and most of those ( SWT's ) were sold here in SoCal. As a note , SWT's sent to the USA after January 1, 1968 were not to have rear seats because of DOT safety requirements. The ROW SWT's had seats. Porsche decided that their volume sales market , USA , dictated production choices, hence the glass windows. Turns out the production of Targa's in 1968 with glass windows are truly a more "collectable" Porsche than the SWT's because of super-low production. This is both 911 and 912. Whereas, in 1969, it's inverted the other way because of the DOT standards here in the USA.

[LongRanger]

. . . no records were kept by the factory on soft window production . . . I have a 69S SWT for sale this summer that would blow this car away. My guess on production numbers of these cars is in the 10-20 range based on what I have seen in the world, but who knows . . .

Be great if you can add your car to this listing . . . .

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ight=roll+call

One way to nail the number-of-cars down . . .

[VintageExcellen]

...Turns out the production of Targa's in 1968 with glass windows are truly a more "collectable" Porsche than the SWT's because of super-low production.

Ahh.... but a more collectible item would be based on desirability in my book rather than just rarity, I can speak from experience that a 68 glass window targa is not more desirable in the mass market place than a SWT.


The car I have is already listed in the roll call post.