Händler Nr = Dealer Codes

[LongRanger]

I've been digging around in some of the old posts --- both here, on The Registry, and occasionally Pelican . . . and finding/coming across some interesting stuff

One of the topics that I've been interested in are what gets referred to (on Kardexs, usually) as Händler Nrs --- dealer numbers

Don't know much about them, but --- in my case . . . the dealer code made a pretty spectacular difference when it came to understanding the history of my car

Anyway, I haven't seen any listings of Porsche's 'dealer codes,' so . . .

Händler Nr. 100 = 'factory use'
HughH had some comments to make on this code --- see post #441 . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ty-nine/page45

Short Version: my car was a dealer nr = 100 . . . and turned-out to be a car built for/used by the Versuch (Experimental/development) department. Dunno what it was used for --- still digging . . . but it ended-up being sold to Jo Siffert (!!!)


Händler Nr. 905 = 'werks employee'
Just came across this + the reason for this thread --- see the 1st post of this thread . . .
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...finishing.html


If you know/have any details about 'dealer codes,' --- please post them here, along w/ any links/references/etc

[HughH]

Rick

I have a bunch of them scattered around
here are a couple to start with

98 sales department (press car)

Germany
111 Berlin 31 Eduard Winter
112 Hamburg 13 Raffay + Co Kraftwagen-Handelsges m.b.H.
113 Lintorf / Dusseldorf Gottfried W Schultz
114 Frankfurt / Main Otto Glockler
115 Fellbach b. Stuttgart Fa Hahn Automobile
116 Munchen 80 MAHAG max moritz

Australia
926 Hamiltons Melbourne

From some threads on RS's on this board
USA
UA- Johnson
UL- Art Bunker
UF- Harmon?
UJ- Brumos
UH- Hagestadt
UD- Holbert
UC- Hilligoss?
each of these will have a number associated with it that can be found on the maintenance handbook

Others to come
I think 921 is Porsche Cars Great Britian, but need to check

[davep]

98 sales department (press car) Germany
100 factory use Germany
111 Eduard Winter Berlin 31 Germany
112 Raffay+ Co. Kraftwagen-Häar) Hamburg 13 Germany
113 Gottfried W. Schultz Lintorf Germany
114 Otto Glöd W. Schultz Frankfurt Germany
115 Hahn Automobilgroßtz Fellbach Germany
116 MAHAG-Goßmobilgroßtz Munich 80 Germany
202 Anc.Ets.D'Ieteren Freres, S.A. Brussels Belgium
204 Skandinavisk Motor Co. A/S Copenhagen Denmark
205 Wihuri-Yhtyma Oy Volkswagen Helsinki Finland
207 Kosmocar A.E. Athens Greece
208 Rock Motors Ltd. Gibraltar Gibraltar
211 Pon's Automobielhäolkswagen Amersfoort Netherlands
212 VW Distributors, Ltd. Dublin Ireland
213 Hekla Limited Reykjavik Iceland
214 Autogerma Bologna Italy
216 Garage Martin Losch Luxembourg-Bonnevoie Luxembourg
218 Harald A. Moller A/S Oslo Norway
219 Volkswagen Porsche Austria Salzburg Austria
220 Sociedade Comercial Guerin S.A.R.L Lisbon Portugal
222 Svenska Volkswagen AB. Soldertalje Sweden
223 AMAG Automobil-und Motoren AG Schinznach-Bad Switzerland
308 Societe Centrale Automobile Cherifienne Casablanca Morocco
311 Domingo Alonso, S.A. Las Palmas, Gran Canaria Canary Islands
315 Mandilas Ltd. Lagos Nigeria
323 Societe Bourbon Automobile S.A. Saint-Denis Reunion
330 Societe de Diffusion Automobile de Madagaskar (Sodiama) Tananarive Madagaskar
336 Matias Molina Hernandez, S.A. Santa Cruz de Tenerife Canary Islands
605 Arieu-Fenner S.A. Buenos Aires Argentina
607 Julio Cesar Lestido S.A. Montevideo Uruguay
611 Volkswagen Interamericana Division del Caribe S.A. Mexico City Mexico
702 Car Markt Ltd. Colombo Ceylon
703 Comin Khmere S.A. Phnom Penh Cambodia
704 Jebsen Motors Hong Kong Hong Kong
706 Morad Yousuf Behbehani Manama Bahrain
709 Motor Trade Company, Ltd. Amman Jordan
710 Behbehani Motors Company Kuwait Kuwait
711 Ets. F.A. Kettaneh S.A. Beirut Lebanon
713 Modern Motors Ltd. Karachi Pakistan
723 People's Car Company Doha Qatar
730 Champion Motors (Israel) Ltd. Bnei Brak Israel
802 Moylan Motor Company Agana Guam
805 Comptoir Polynesien Papeete Tahiti
905 factory employee Germany
919 Ets. Sonauto S.A. Sorgues France
920 Ets. Sonauto S.A. Levallois France
921 Porsche Cars Great Britian Ltd. / A.F.N. Ltd. Islesworth Great Britian
922 Mitsuwa Motors, Ltd. Tokyo Japan
924 Dacon S.A. Sao Paulo Brazil
925 Lindsay Saker Motors (PTY.) Ltd. Johannesburg South Africa
926 Norman Hamilton & Co. Pty. Ltd. Victoria Australia
927 Auto Porsche Madrid Spain
993 Volkswagen de Mexico, S.A. Mexico City Mexico
999 Volkswagen Canada Ltd. Scarborough, ON Canada

[Darren65]

How would you find out the dealer number for your car?

Cheers,

[BOYER73S]

Rick

I have a bunch of them scattered around
here are a couple to start with

98 sales department (press car)

Germany
111 Berlin 31 Eduard Winter
112 Hamburg 13 Raffay + Co Kraftwagen-Handelsges m.b.H.
113 Lintorf / Dusseldorf Gottfried W Schultz
114 Frankfurt / Main Otto Glockler
115 Fellbach b. Stuttgart Fa Hahn Automobile
116 Munchen 80 MAHAG max moritz

Australia
926 Hamiltons Melbourne

From some threads on RS's on this board
USA
UA- Johnson
UL- Art Bunker
UF- Harmon?
UJ- Brumos
UH- Hagestadt
UD- Holbert
UC- Hilligoss?
each of these will have a number associated with it that can be found on the maintenance handbook

Others to come
I think 921 is Porsche Cars Great Britian, but need to check

Correct Hugh 921 on the delivery sheet for the new 69S

[LongRanger]

Excellent, Dave + Hugh --- thank you for putting up that information! And a LOT of it, too . . . saves time/having to dig around

Amazing variety, too . . . and where in the world did you come up w/ This Stuff?

. . . How would you find out the dealer number for your car? . . .

Mine was shown on the Kardex . . . but that's an excellent question


What documents/places show the 'Händler Nr'

1) Kardex
2) Maintenance handbook

Any others?

[steve shea]

It seems that all the numbers are in the 10/71 Porsche Service book. The complete number for D'Iteren Freres for example is 202/000/00 for the Belgian Importer and the number for D'Iteren service and dealership is 202/401/8 with three stars. There is a one two three star rating showing the depth of sales and service at each outlet. My 73S came from Delcar SAS in Varese, Italy. The importer is Autogerma in Bologna, 214/000/0. Delcar SAS in Varese is 214/211/1 with three stars. So the 214 is the country code and the rest the dealer. Some of the codes posted above are country code only in Dave P's post and this is correct if they are all importers. All of the dealers in each country have the same prefix with an individual dealer number. My book is ROW only I have USA info but in another booklet. Some countries like Germany have several prefixes maybe for different regions.

[steve shea]

I just checked the US booklet. Only the name, address and phone#. No other info. But It has to be somewhere. It looks like Germany is the only country with multiple prefixes.

[LongRanger]

Hmm . . .

Steve's comments are interesting

There's another thread --- about dealer license frames . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...r-Plate-Frames.

I've been going through the old late-'60s-to-early-'70s Porsche Dealer Listings to identify dealers from their frames. The '69 listing is a world-wide one . . . and includes information in the same format that Steve describes . . .

nnn/nnn/n

. . . but I don't have any information after '69

When I get back, I'll see if I can't pull up some more of this information + put it up here



My question would be . . .

Why the different formats?
1)..The Kardexs that I've seen all show a 3 or 4-digit identifier
2)..Hugh's listing --- for RS's, right? . . . shows 2-letters --- and all are 'US' dealers
3)..And the '69 PDL that I have --- and the Service Book that Steve is referring to . . . shows another format, entirely

In other words --- are all these different formats of 'Händler Nrs' identifying the same thing?

[steve shea]

I have the Italian Service book for my car. The number 214/211/1 fits perfectly in the spaces provided for dealer number. If that means anything.