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Thread: Original Market (US, German, etc) Affect on Early S Values?

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    Original Market (US, German, etc) Affect on Early S Values?

    Hello - I'm curious about board member's perspectives on the current value of early S's based on the market they were originally sold into. Presumably the US was Porsche's largest market back then, as it is today....

    I.e. Any difference in value today between a particular early S U.S. model and it's German, French, or whatever market equivalent??

    Your thoughts?
    Bob Schaefer

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    In Australia the market will pay a premium for an Australian-delivered early 911 . . . or apply a penalty to non-Aussie cars, depending on how you look at it. This is not just a RHD versus LHD issue because there is even a discount applied to cars that were originally delivered in other RHD markets (UK, particularly because of suspicion about rust). From what I've seen the premium/discount is narrowing as early 911 valuations rise. . . high valuations support high freight costs so it is becoming a "global market". 73RS is a good case study, country of origin no longer has much if any impact on value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by npvpositive View Post
    In Australia the market will pay a premium for an Australian-delivered early 911 . . . or apply a penalty to non-Aussie cars, depending on how you look at it. This is not just a RHD versus LHD issue because there is even a discount applied to cars that were originally delivered in other RHD markets (UK, particularly because of suspicion about rust). From what I've seen the premium/discount is narrowing as early 911 valuations rise. . . high valuations support high freight costs so it is becoming a "global market". 73RS is a good case study, country of origin no longer has much if any impact on value.
    yes and customs getting smarter too with luxury car tax (anything over 57,500 ) has a tax of 33c in the dollar now so cars already here RHD opr LHD will appreciate as it gets harder and more expensive to import one.
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    Just out of curiosity would there be a re-import tax on a 1968S that was originally purchased by a German citizen, then flipped to a American.
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    Re import to where, Germany from USA??
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOYER73S View Post
    Re import to where, Germany from USA??
    Yes, back to Germany, or the EU.
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    Rob, you better call me first before you do anything with that car!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibmiked View Post
    Rob, you better call me first before you do anything with that car!
    I knew I should have said "the car is not for sale". When the day comes, you have first dibs
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    I do not really know for all models. But some, I think yes. A euro 73S has from the factory the larger plastic tank, front loop cooler and a really clean look with no rubber bumperettes. There are other areas different as well. Of course this can all be changed for a US model but then there are those buyers that want a kardex correct car. Those buyers may see a little more value in 73's so equipped from the factory. Especially if the buyer is from the country of origin. Basically though, if the car is legit and clean, I do not think it matters too much. I think euro cars are pretty cool though as most look cleaner than the US versions stock. This goes way back to the 356 days when certain items and designs were first differentiated for the US vs ROW. The euro versions were always less tarted up. Plus I like looking at euro gauges. Wow! I'm going 200KMH!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Schaefer View Post
    . . . curious about board member's perspectives . . . Any difference in value today between a particular early S U.S. model and it's German, French, or whatever market equivalent?? . . .
    It prolly comes down more to a matter of supply. Not only were there more US cars to begin with --- but they also seem to just do better here in America. When was the last time a decent 911 got pulled out of a barn in Germany? Or France?

    But US-market cars also have a reputation for having more restrictions/less performance --- not always deserved . . . and that might factor in for some

    Personally? --- I prefer the so-called 'RoW' cars . . . mostly for their aesthetics. I like the non-sealed-beam headlights and their more interesting/colorful turn-signals. Also their novelty --- over half (Ludvigsen writes 70%) of Porsche's production was exported to the US. Plus, given the European climate, more-rigorous annual inspections and higher cost-of-operation? . . . I would expect that the survival-rates for older RoW cars would be pretty low . . .

    Lower supply = higher demand . . . IMO
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