Ultimate ST thread

[Leirbag]

On RR7 (I wasn't there unfortunately), I saw on the internet a 911 ST which looks like 911 030 0949. So I checked the owner's name and it wasn't the same as the actual 0949 owner.

I wanted to share you this, maybe you can add some if you have !





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It looks just like the original 0949 back in the days, perfect !!

[patrick911]

Here's a picture I took on the Saturday, when it had rained.
it was advertised in the Rennsport 7 book that this was: "1970 911ST, 9110300949, 2500cc" - but see Hugh's post below. things may be more complicated as there's more than one laying claim to the chassisnr.

[HughH]

I think it is more accurately stated that it is "A" 9000300949

there are at least two cars out there that lay claim to that identity and while there are "formal identifications by an expert" surrounding this version I would only be prepared to believe it was one of at least two contenders after correspondence with people who were involved with it when it seemed to multiply of its own accord including the late Louis Meznarie (not that I am suggesting that he had anything to do with the duplication just he was heavily involves with the car when Larousse owned it following factory ownership and then for a period after that) At one stage the car "borrowed" the license plates and identity of one of Meznarie's cars to avoid french customs issues.

[patrick911]

thanks Hugh, I had no idea, but since internet posts tend to start a life or 'truth' of their own often, i have updated my post.
Apart from that, still an awesome and beautiful car!

[_gonbau]

Excellent work, as always, Hugh, thank you very much for sharing your efforts!

Regarding to #1019
Armando's statement that this was delivered new to Spain, could be the right choice:
There are two pics, which show an apparently Rallye-optioned 2.4S or M491(?)
First one I had on file, tagged as factory tour'72, the other one Gargallo/ Ramon at the Rallye Bosch '72, still with German customs plates("Zollkennzeichen")

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Regards
Wolf

I've been looking for images of the 911 with the 'cover' on the flare, the cover that goes into the suspension cradle. Looking at this photo and understanding that the white vehicle is new, fresh from the factory, I wonder where this cover is on the vehicle? When Porsche made chassis improvements on vehicles (installation of flares in this case), didn't they install the complete piece? (Flare + cover) Why is the cover missing in that part if the vehicle hasn't left the factory yet?"

No The official designation of the cars (including in the homologation papers that they race under) is 911S. So a properly registered "ST" would have been registered as a 911S. There were lots registered for the roads especially in 1969 to 1971 as ALL rally cars were required to be road registered. I know your car's papers has "ST" on them. However that would not have been the official designation from the factory or in a factory invoice (or other paperwork). I dont know why the person importing your car would have done that BUT I think that registration authorities all over the world often just write down what they are given regardless of what is correct and probably the customs / importing people also would have just accepted what they were told. but that does not change the fact that "ST" was never the official designation of the model.
On the plastic I don't know what type of plastic it was. However official build papers for that car as well as the build papers for the 1970 Monte Carlo "ST's" both state "plastic" in the case of front fenders and bumper but say "fibre glass" for other parts. We know that the fuel tanks were made of plastic so it must have been a hard light plastic extruded part like the fuel tank. Porsche had a lot of experience with lightweight materials like that from the early / mid 1960's with the so called "plastic" prototype cars

When you mention those lots/groups, does it mean that the factory had a "batch" of 911s to assign? Would that imply, for example, that these "KFZ" groups were close to each other? Or were vehicles from these groups delivered months apart? And if so... Was the numbering within these KFZ groups distant from each other or not?

"Did they have those batch of 911s 'reserved' with their KFZ from the beginning?"

[Macroni]

This thread and Mark Morrissey's passing makes me wonder where Raj (original poster) is......

[Jim Garfield]

This thread and Mark Morrissey's passing makes me wonder where Raj (original poster) is......

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[_gonbau]

Can someone explain this photo to me? Is this VIN plate the original one from the vehicle or a replacement? Due to how perfectly aligned it is, I think it's a replacement. Besides, it's 'extracted,' so it wouldn't make sense to extract the original one...



Are these VIN panels sold separately? I thought they came attached to the 'whole' piece. So, it could be that this displayed plate comes from another car, and the original number '1081' was stamped over it. Then, this same plate is the one that was welded onto the chassis, the one that is present nowadays?
It gives me the impression that one of the VINs has the correct font but not the alignment, while in another VIN, the alignment seems to have 'improved,' but the font is incorrect. Are these the same plates?

[HughH]

no the part with the vin stamped in is not sold separately although a lager panel incorporating it (blank though) is

it is always hard to tell form photos BUT the 1 after 30 seems to be lower in the "clean" version than on the painted one. More importantly, to me, the * on the painted one looks a lot bigger than on the clean one which looks about the same size as i have seen on other 72's
finally where the numbers are placed on the painted one looks quite different to on the clean one. the clean one is close to the bottom of the metal part and there appears to be room for another row of numbers the same size above it (like most other LHD cars I have seen)
however the painted one looks to be in the middle of the raised part with no room either side to put another row of numbers

here is an undisputed genuine one as a comparison

[Ernie W]

The font is different on both of the VIN examples, (grey one) post 922, the stars are smaller compared with the height of the numbers, the raised panel has a nice crisp edge. The other VIN (black paint) example, has large stars, almost as tall as the numbers and very close to the numbers, the number one has a foot at the bottom of the stroke. The nine and two are also different with a ball tail. The black painted raised rectangular pad has a softer edge. In Hugh's example (post 923) that VIN is more consistent with the grey example above.