Ultimate ST thread

[HughH]

Dave
The car you posted about is the one Peter Gregg built for Jacques Bienvenue from a production car. Also it was a 72
The one Don has was factory built and is a 1970 car

[stretch]

Dave
The car you posted about is the one Peter Gregg built for Jacques Bienvenue from a production car. Also it was a 72
The one Don has was factory built and is a 1970 car

Thanks Hugh. didn't look at the chassis number..... brain fog.

[_gonbau]

1138



https://barchetta.mediacenter.plus/M..._586_6.jpg?v=6

If these photos belong to 1138, why remove the front hood filler neck in the current restoration?
Why do the windshield wiper arms change their resting position compared to these images? Are the first two images of vehicle 1138?

https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...RM-70-ST-Coupe



It can be observed that the same photographic signature is present, so I believe the vehicle I’m showing is 1138. In the first images, the N MH vehicle, I’m unsure if it’s the same vehicle. Certainly, the detail in the photos I’m showing of the characteristic 1972 front flare is intriguing.

The electrical cut-off switch, as seen in the "older" photos, is located in the position it would typically be in for a 1972 vehicle, along with the 1972 bumper (with spoiler). In the other images, we see what appears to be "the same vehicle", but with the cut-off switch positioned correctly for a 1970 vehicle, paired with the front bumper characteristic of those years. So... is this the same vehicle updated later?
I would lean towards giving credibility to this, but no. It seems odd to me that an update would include changing the location of the electrical cut-off switch.
Thus, the question is inevitable: Are all the vehicles shown in these photographs 1138?

[Leirbag]

Excerpt from the sales text of 911 030 1138 in 2018:

"The ST 2.3 was sold from Dopper to Ed Blais in 1995 and was shipped to the U.S. The car remained with Blais for four years, and during that time it was used in historic racing. Blais sold the car in 1999 and it passed through two subsequent collectors prior to being purchased by Jim Oppenheimer, who continued to race the car after it was restored with racing in mind. Purchased by the current owner from Oppenheimer in 2004, the car was brought to Germany and fully restored to appear just as it did at the Norisring in 1971 when raced by Hans Braun."


https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...RM-70-ST-Coupe

[Leirbag]

A nice find, I let you find the two 911 S-R that are hidden behind this picture. The first one is simple, the second one is less known




I will publish the details of the photos later this week, I'll give you time to search

[uai]

I think a pagoda with Minilites is terribly cool and disgusting at the same time - my guess: this must be in the nordics (SWE) or GB although Lista Advertising and Senn AG would be Switzerland.
If anyone has a lead on 6x14 Campagnolos for BMW please let me know

[_gonbau]

I'm still waiting to find, as with S/T, a written definition provided by Porsche that indicates ST/R. It's known that S/T was used in brochures and informational sheets, but what about ST/R? That definition was also written on some components of competition vehicles... I think we need to dig deeper to understand what definitions we have and whether ST/R was an evolution of S/T itself or a separate "family." And yes, regarding the vehicle, I know it underwent updates, but it caught my attention that there were so many in such a short time.

That S/R was written on the inner part of the flare clearly indicates there is a difference between S/T and ST/R. But if what you’re marking at that moment is the flare, what differences could exist between an S/R flare and an S/T flare? I personally think none… but then, why were those parts marked with S/TR instead of S/T? What need was there at that time to differentiate a flare for a 911 ST versus a 911 ST/R?

https://copleymotorcars.com/?showroo...st-works-rally

By the way, these vehicles already in 1971 featured the electrical cutoff in the location where it would later appear in 1972, in front of the windshield
Is that the correct position for 1971? Or was Porsche already anticipating with this model where it would be placed on future vehicles?





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*PS: I understand you know that the document you attached includes the names of the drivers. The question is, who are you playing guessing games with?

https://bid.goodingco.com/lots/view/...e-911-st-rally
Great photo Leirbag

By the way, why do these "S/R" vehicles have the rear engine badge?

[Leirbag]

my guess: this must be in the nordics (SWE) or GB although Lista Advertising and Senn AG would be Switzerland.

That's right, this yellow "Lista Racing Team" is 911 230 1417, drove by Heinz Grieder.

but what about ST/R?

ST/R, ST with Rally spec…?

By the way, these vehicles already in 1971 featured the electrical cutoff in the location where it would later appear in 1972, in front of the windshield
Is that the correct position for 1971? Or was Porsche already anticipating with this model where it would be placed on future vehicles?

On the car sales link you put, there is a 1971 picture of the car. It seems to me that the electric switch-off is in the right place.

*PS: I understand you know that the document you attached includes the names of the drivers. The question is, who are you playing guessing games with?

Great photo Leirbag

By the way, why do these "S/R" vehicles have the rear engine badge?

I'm sorry you didn't get the joke Baudett…

Thanks you very much, a pleasure to share them with people who don't block me on other social media.

To be honnest, (in my opinion, I have no proof), it is possible that Porsche put these 2.4L grilles rather than a simple grille, so that the customer would feel "privileged" compared to the old 65-71 models which were racing in the same category. <- I repeat, this is my own opinion and it can be pure fantasy.

[Leirbag]

Answer for those who tried to guess:



As I said, the yellow car is 911 230 1417, driven by Heinz Grieder (#803)

The second car to be found was 911 230 0909, driven by Harry Blumer (#802)

I don't think there are many pictures and information of 0909 on this forum. I was too young when Hugh posted all his messages about the S-R, here is what I could learn, and I share it here as Hugh did a few years ago.

1972 :
Peter Zbinden competed in the Schweizer Meisterschaft. From touringcarracing.net : "The championship consisted of hillclimbs, a slalom and circuit races; there were 10 rounds of which 7 were mandatory. Some races were combined with foreign championships. Peter Zbinden was the champion." I know of very few pictures of the car from that year.

The car then passed into the hands of the Swiss driver Harry Blümer, I don't know yet if it belonged to him, or if Peter Zbinden rented it to him.

1973 :
Again, Harry Blümer participates in the Schweizer Meisterschaft, he will obtain the same number of points as Peter Zbinden the previous year (700), but he will finish 2nd in the championship.

Here are some pictures of the car in 1973:

Number 802, at Hockenheim (same race as the first picture, I haven't found the date of this event yet):



Number 63, event unknown for now:



Finally, on the racingsportscars website, the DRM Hockenheim Preis der Nationen event (It's the car that's across between the two, number 59) :

https://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/1973/Hockenheim-1973-08-26-059.jpg


After that, Harry Blumer bought a green 3.0L RSR from the factory, I have some intuitions about the future of 0909, but it doesn't belong here yet.

[_gonbau]

Great information! I invite you to look for a document on STR similar to the one that appeared for ST. From my perspective, I’ve never seen anything related to it, and everything seems to be based on people’s definitions, not on the factory itself. The factory named its cars ST, M491, M471—all of this is verifiably documented. However, STR, the only evidence I’ve seen is what was written in pencil on that vehicle. It would be interesting to delve deeper into the differentiation you mention between an ST and an ST Rallye. I always understood that STs were rally cars, but it seems that by 1972, the "ST" were the non-Rallye cars, the ones for track use.
Next time, improve the joke, because the information you provide is good, either you or whoever you’re talking to! Regards.