1969 Competition 911

[BAPhotowerks]

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Does anyone have a photo of a car very similar to this from previous races ('68,'67,...)? I assume the same team, but lacking the blue/white/red stripe up the shoulder. I agree the lights on the visor are a interesting detail. I have a miniature of the car but have never seen a good photo from the race; Porsches at Le Mans has a fuzzy one...

Thanks

[HughH]

brad

you may be thinking about the 1968 car #43 that, I think, Vitesse made a model of......see attached

[Chuck Miller]

Brad,

Hugh got to'ya first (late there/early here ... )

Here's another of the Gaban/Vanderschrick car. '68 LeMans 2000 class winner, and 12th overall.

Reference again from 'PORSCHE 911 in Racing'... probaby the best book on my shelf.

Cheers

[gulf908]

The car behind Gaban's in Hugh's pic is interesting - a Fiat Dino.
I wasn't even aware they were homologated let alone someone had the courage to race one
They were to be a 911 competitor in the mid / late '60s and a nice looking one in the 2.4 coupe guise.
However it was the usual Ferrari case of too many projects on the boil at once and fizzled out - a similar fate to the Alfa Montreal of several years later.
The 911 is still with us though !!

Cheers,
Dennis.

[HughH]

I thought he same thing when i saw the two photos together.
I would be surprised if it was two different cars - the big question is whether it is a 1968T with sports kit 9553 (from post #6 above) - in 1968 is is entered as a T but in 1969 it is entered as an S. - the sports kit for the 1968 includes "engine type 2000S 901/02 160BHP.
it was entered in group 3 in both years (GT) and was first in class in both years.

[HughH]

Raj

I think the license plate is from Belgium, and I think I have seen somewhere that the Belgium plates can be transferred from car to car - ie issued to owner not the car

Jean-Pierre Gaban seems to have been a "factory favorite" a bit like Sonauto in France as he seems to have had lots of good cars (always seemed to be up the pointy end of his class) from the mid 60's and was still preparing RSCS's etc in the mid 1980's

maybe someone from Europe can chime in with some more facts?

[BAPhotowerks]

Thanks guys, those images are exactly what I was hoping for. I have the same Vitesse miniature that Hugh showed, #43 from 1968.

I was always curious about the sunscreen on the windshield and why it stops short, it almost looks like an error on the miniature, but it makes perfect sense with the visor lights. I liked the look enough (error or not) that I did the same thing on my car, and it is actually quite practical for TSD rallies, allowing the co-driver a more complete view to see street signs and the like.

I'll need to find Porsche 911 in Racing, don't have that one. Thanks again for the responses!

[bxd]

Porsche entered 3, lightened, fuel injected 911E's with Boge Self-levelling suspension for the Marathon de la Route. I have this info from a book, the year isnt stated, it would have to be 69' (the first year of the E), unless the factory wanted to test the suspension and injection in 68', like they did with the Sporto R, earlier? Anyway, they finished 1,2. Where are these cars now?

Resurrecting this old thread because I just came across a bit of info regarding the 1968 Marathon de la Route cars. I have no way to verify this, but one of our members has stated that car #28, the winning car, was actually a very early 1969 911S ( chassis # 119300009 ). If this is true (?) that would mean that the book referencing 3 lightened 911E entries would at least be partially wrong... perhaps all three were 911S's, not E's?

Here are some photos of S-H 7865 (sup 119300009) at the '68 MdlR and recently in Monterey:









(Thanks to John G. for these great photos!!)

Here is a shot taken during the 1968 event (sister cars #28 and #30):



I don't have any reason to think they are, but since they are such early LWB chassis, is it possible that these cars (#28 and #30) were among the initial batch of 1969 LWB lightweight cars built for competition purposes by the factory? Does anyone know any other chassis numbers for verified lightweight 1969 LWB cars that we could use for comparison?

[bxd]

To clarify:

The lightweights in the photos were the 1969 homologation 911S also known unofficially as the ST. The earliest cars were narrow bodies. These lightweight tubs were produced in 69 and used through ST production.

It's been suggested by Don that there was a run of very early LWB chassis in '69 that were specifically built for use as "lightweight" race cars, and that they were used from the beginning of '69 well into the '71 season; both by the factory Werks team and/or by customer teams. This would mean at least some or possibly all of the Werks ST cars had these essentially '69 tubs.... with modifications and improvements as time went on of course, but still they started life as an early '69 lightweight chassis. So my question still stands; were the 1968 Maraton de la Route cars actually LWB 1969 "lightweight" tubs? Would the factory records show this?

[Ernie W]

119300009 is an S model.