Ultimate ST thread

[Flunder]

Raj:

Here are the interior specs of a MY72 "pure competition" 2,5 ST prepared for circuits and hill climbs (as opposed to an ST prepared for rally use).

Note that the price list shows the "roof and interior lining out of black felt" for the 2,5 pure competition specs as shown below. The scan is taken from the Sports Purposes manual.

It would follow that the rally prepped cars were fitted with standard headliners and indeed the period images of rally cars show them fitted. As you wrote, it seems that drivers could specify an ivory or black headliner according to their wishes.

I would be happy to scan the entire document and post it in this thread or some other if Chuck likes.

[davep]

Here is the link and anyone know who put the data together?really nice job

Raj

Assuming the document has not been altered, the properties show the author as Don Webb. Yes, a really nice job, and obviously a lot of effort went into this document.

[letsrollbabe]

Raj:

Are you saying that your ST/RSR had a black factory style headliner or the black felt material as listed in Tom's document? It would make sense for a track car to have the felt since windshields were changed regularly, and the door seals might not have been used with fiber glass doors, all of which would be easier to deal with if the headliner material was simply felt material glued to the roof rather than wrapping up into the seal grooves as a stock headliner does.

I cannot remember which type the Signal Orange 73 RSR of John Schoen's has, which is a very original example. I remember it is black, but I cannot see in the picture I took which type it is. Did the RSR's have black felt as standard?

[advtracing]

If the felt was used in 72 , was it just used on the roof and the the exposed rails ( i.e were the interior lights are ) were painted as per the body or was there also felt on the rails as a separate piece?

[John Z Goriup]

Here's a shot I took of 911R No. 17 as presented at RR III in November of '07with a red felt roof as well. (Car was maintained by MooreSpeed).

JZG

[letsrollbabe]

Raj:

Thanks for posting the pics of your Zasada ST (renumbered to 911 360 0001). I think most of the RSRs I have seen have a black headliner and not the felt liners. It would be valuable to get a photo from the day of the felt liners on an ST, as few would have survived competition without being redone several times along the way...and then final modern restoration. The factory Martini RSR does have a headliner as you pointed out from pics (including mine). We will never know how many STs were built with felt liners vs normal head liners, and 'in the day' it wouldn't have made any significant difference one way or the other. This feature would not have been high on anyone's list of 'must haves' to get a competitive advantage.

When you visit the Museum later this year you can do some research on these cars, and we will expect a full report of your findings. (Also, find that picture of the Wagonpass for the #3 Martini RSR press car and get to the bottom of the VIN mystery...please).

[Cornpanzer]

Raj, The Scheel that you show in the above post is one of the metal framed buckets. Not sure of the era, but the upholstery hints that it probably was in roughly the same era as the plastic seats.

[70SATMan]

Here is the photo of the factory car in knoradsheim's book,with the same red labels notice this car has regular tach as did most rally cars.
Raj

I really dig the batwing in that pic showing how it was lightened by cutting off the ends.

[Jim Garfield]

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Here is a photo with labels on the factory museum car-they are in german i can't seem to get a good macro photo of 0001 prior to resto,but they do say the same thing.
Raj

Here are a couple pre-resto shots that I took at RRII as they were warming up the car for lapping.

[CurtEgerer]

Hey I have had questions about other aspects of ST's.Heaters were homologated-that is why i believe 0019 and 0020 had heaters speced it was required by the FIA rules.I will post what is on my car but i would like others to share.Also,late ST's into early RSR had different throttle enrichment set-up.Please share your set-up. Raj

Wouldn't they be necessary for winter rallying (Monte Carlo, Sweden, etc.)? The window defroster would be needed for sure. Were 0019 and 0020 used for rallying?