value of the S case that matches my car?

[Ted_S]

I recently purchased a 1972 911s targa from a fellow board member. It's a real beauty and I'm just thrilled with it! I'm planning on posting pictures as soon as I can get out and snap some.

Here's my question for the board...

The gentleman who sold it to me connected me with the prior owner who has the original matching #s case. The case is not in use currently and needs some work. The prior owner agrees that the case should be with the car, and we're trying to work out a fair price.

So... what's market value for a 2.4 S case in average shape?

I did some searches here and on Pelican on S cases for sale, so i've got a perspective, but don't want to bias folks with that - looking for additional data points.

Many thanks in advance for the feedback...
Ted

[mike curnow]

A lot of people on this board seem to be obsessed with numbers and dates. Your cars prior owner didn't seem very impressed with the old case or he would have bought it? My feeling, for myself, I wouldn't pay more than a + $50.00 to get a poor case with the origional numbers.

[Ghost Chaser]

I'm with Mike on this one. In the old days the guy would have swapped you the old case for a six pack of his favorite beer or tickets to a local baseball game. Nowadays things have become somewhat more... mercenary. I'd say fair is whatever you feel you can part with without feeling ripped off. It all depends how important it is to you to have "matching numbers"... $50, $500, 5,000? How much would your P-car wrench charge to restamp your case for you? Oh, wait, sorry, that never happens; all matching numbers 911s are really matching numbers.

Cheers,
Rich

[Silverbullit]

I'm with Mike on this one. In the old days the guy would have swapped you the old case for a six pack of his favorite beer or tickets to a local baseball game. Nowadays things have become somewhat more... mercenary. I'd say fair is whatever you feel you can part with without feeling ripped off. It all depends how important it is to you to have "matching numbers"... $50, $500, 5,000? How much would your P-car wrench charge to restamp your case for you? Oh, wait, sorry, that never happens; all matching numbers 911s are really matching numbers.

Cheers,
Rich

Agreed. the same issue(s) runs rampant throughout the musclecar sector.
All other things being equal, is a number matching car worth 10% premium?
If so, that, minus the cost of the case and the work needed to repair it and place it in service. JMHO. Brian

"If you're under control, you're not going fast enough" Parnelli Jones (I believe)

[BBausser]

"If you're under control, you're not going fast enough" Parnelli Jones (I believe)

Brian:

I heard Vic Elford say that a couple of times and he did not give credit to Parnelli. Not to hijack the thread.

I don't know how anyone can arbitrarily say a matching numbers car has a 10% premimum. I also think that if your trying to determine the value by a formula based on the expected value of the matching complete car less the costs of acquisition of the matching case and the cost to make it whole you also need to subtract the sales value of your existing engine. The more enthusiasts a particular year, make, model attracts the more obsessed and anal the owners become. Early 911's have gotten to that state and matching numbers can add considerable value to it depending on the condition and originality of the rest of the car. jmho too excepting the Vic Elford qoute.

Bill

[Zithlord]

I would pay a 50% premium because for some reason I am obsessed with the thought about my car being matching. For others this is completely stupid and I respect that. I just hope that the seller does not take advantage of an enthusiast eager to get the original case for his car....

Sorry if this drives the price upp(if the seller reads this)

John

[Schiefer]

A lot of people on this board seem to be obsessed with numbers and dates. Your cars prior owner didn't seem very impressed with the old case or he would have bought it? My feeling, for myself, I wouldn't pay more than a + $50.00 to get a poor case with the origional numbers.

I´m one of those guys (but that´s because I love details, not only on Porsches)
A car that you like using is what matters, but if you could get the original case, I would not hesitate for a second!

(I payed 1300$ for a good spare S-case last year, but US is a different market)

Radmund

[kentf14]

Hi Ted.
Having just gone through the process of dealing to get the numbers matching engine back in my own S, I can say that arriving at a value isn't an easy process. As an engine case in average condition, it isn't really worth that much (no longer a trade for a 6 pack, but maybe a nice bottle of bourbon ). Unfortunately, as "the" case for your car it can never be replaced. While there are lot's of 5R cases out there, this is the only one that will ever make your car numbers matching. You will have to decide how badly you want your numbers to match, how much a serial # is worth to you. This factor alone determines the value of the case. You are the only person that values this case any more than the average Joe. Unfortunately, the seller will likely know this and want to make a few bucks off of you.

Keep in mind by how much the original case will increase the value of your car and that getting the case built back into an engine ain't going to be cheap.

In my own situation, I bit the bullet and made a deal above market value for a running engine. All said and done, for me, having the original engine back in my car is satisfying and another original matching S is back on the road.

Good Luck!
-Kent

[Allen Henderson]

Some use a -10% subtraction factor for wrong engine in valuing a car. That number is often bandied about, how accurate is hard to tell. But using it as a guideline, I'd say for the case only, no more than 5% of the car's value, at most! Personally, I'd say 2x market for such a case would be fair. If you're going to actually use the case, which would be the idea, it is going to cost you a lot to make that happen. Good luck!

-Allen-

[EA911]

I agree with everyones comments above.
If it was me I would offer $500 and see where it goes. Also you don't need to install the matching case until you sell the car or don't install it and offer it as part of the deal.

In any case (no pun) good luck!