The real 73 RSR TF Winner - Porsche Factory Scam??

[Mr9146]

I was under the impression that it had been concluded that the Kitchack (sp?) car was THE real car.

[Jim Calzia]

Does anyone have a j-peg of the VIN plate from this car? I need a sharp image for a chapter of The Book. If so, please e-mail the j-peg to jcalzia@usgs.gov

Mucho Thanks

[patrick911]

The above picture (post #834) is Kitchaks' 'real' #8 TF winner, right? I understand it has the Mary Stuart spoiler, but how come it sits on centre lock 917 wheels and has these strange front flares? I never seen 91003600588 in action with those -or have i missed something?

[Flieger]

The car kept evolving through the season. That is Nurburgring spec I believe.

[Jim Calzia]

Fileger is correct--sorta. The big Group 5 Prototype RSRs were introduced at the Nurburgring 1000km race in May 1973, but it was R7 (0686) that was the debutant, not R6 (0588); 0588 never looked like that. It got the center locks, big wheels and tires, and GRP Mary Stuart tail when it was converted to a Group 5 car for Le Mans (race #47 with yellow recognition colors and a BIG chin spoiler). Then it was converted to a Longtail for the Osterreichring 1000km, sold to Penske for Watkins Glen, sold to "some Mexicans" after WG, and eventually purchased by Kitchak. It was restored by Morespeed in Campbell, CA, to its current livery. 0588 looked like this at the '73 Targa Florio


Hope that helps

PS I'm still looking for a high resolution j-peg of 0588's VIN plate. If anyone has such a thing, I would sure appreciate a copy; I'll put it the book--with proper credit

[rs27rules]

two more pics

[Flieger]

Excellent pictures!

[boba]

I was under the impression that it had been concluded that the Kitchack (sp?) car was THE real car.

It was acknowledged by the factory at Daytona during group photo shoot RRIII.

[pgc22bc]

This photo was mined from the archival site TARGAPEDIA.COM, does anyone recognise it? It appears to be a team photo of the winning car sometime post race. Notice the background, it appears to be northern Europe (the factory?) Forgive me if this is a well known photo - I don't have access to the usual well known publications. More to come...

[pgc22bc]

I have become fascinated by this thread, it is a great story! In the course of reading through from beginning to end (whew! ), I did some side searching on the web and came across the archival site TARGAPEDIA.COM, I have mined some select photos which I believe add new information:





In the first photo notice the LEO-ZA 60 plate, the "front" plate, with no stickers and no accompanying D tag like the 107T car. The engine appears to be RSR spec, not the standard 210 hp 2.7L RS that the 107T car came with.

The next two photos show a Martini logo free, silver Carrera RSR that looks like R2 (360 0020, LeMans test #61, TF #9) before being modified for qualifying/racing. It is wearing a 107 T! Not the same heavy black "T" seen elsewhere to the left of the 107 but to the right. THREE CARS WORE "107" NUMBERS in the course of events!

I have seen another archival video that shows the logo free silver RSR briefly, apparently during training/testing. It looks like the silver LeMans test car #61 which it has been concluded was the TF #9 car that eventually came 3rd and is now the museum car. I will try and provide a link to it...

Elsewhere in the thread it was suggested that perhaps it was the R2 car, LeMans test #61car and raced as TF #9, that was sent to Sicily in the weeks leading up to the 1973 Targa Florio to be used as the training car. Do these images support that idea? Why would R2 not have complete sponsor logos? Unless it was brought directly from the LeMans test to Sicily to be run (somewhat) discretely on public roads for training purposes? My speculation.