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I've just come across the source of the above images! Have a look....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhd8...e_gdata_player
I've just come across the source of the above images! Have a look....
Here are more images of the ill fated R8, the original TF 107 car. Also mined from TARGAPEDIA.COM
In the first image you see the original 107 (R8), immediately behind it is the nose of the 107T car which is later modified to become the race TF #107, you can see the original "arrow" style Martini Porsche hood it first wore. The second image shows R8 on course before the Pucci crash.
In the next sequence you see the aftermath. Notice in photo 4 and photo 5, stuffed into the cabin of the destroyed R8 can be seen the old hood of the 107T car which was swapped off R8. The front bumper was removed and installed on the #9 car.
Parts of a translated interview with Dr.Helmut Marko.
1971 Winner LeMans Porsche 917 driver (with van Lennep).
1972 Targa Florio second place with an Alfa Tipo 33, fasted Targa Florio lap ever raced (33.41).
"..The Targa Florio in 1972 was an adventure that was even then beyond any imagination. First, we went testing around in an Alfa GTA . Then we used our race cars and drove together with trucks and donkey carts .
Sometimes while testing our race cars, in the middle of the track was a police officer who gave us tickets. No idea what his function was. I took the ticket and drove off at full throttle again. In the pit garage, parking tickets were stacked and probably returned to the authorities again after the race.
About the Alfa box was a very good Italian restaurant. We sat there and stopped lap times. If one was faster, we're back in the car, otherwise we continued our meal.
The Targa Florio was three times the difficulty of the Nurburgring Nordschleife. It had different courves, smooth and rough track surfaces. It was difficult to remember the entire 72 km. On some curves you did not know how it looked behond. Down by the sea, there was a five-kilometer stretch. There, the Alfa was slower than the Ferrari and this is why we lost our race (1972).
Security was a foreign word. In the villages, entry doors got been nailed off, the night before official training and on race day. So nobody would run over the road. On race day you would have a huge crowd of spectators. 500,000. No guardrails. People would partially camp on the road and jumped away at the very last moment. It was like driving trough a wave of people. I had to get used to it: driving at 200 km/h full speed towards the crowd.
Because of individual starts, you would drive mostly alone, maybe some times a GT would overtake. Driving there was like there was no tomorrow. I never could have imagined to drive on the track with so much risk.
...In the evening after the race there was the usual victory celebration . It walked around quite happy, when suddenly one approached me and asked me to come along. At another table sat several men with grim faces. They said the race would please them. I got a note with a phone number and was told that I had one wish, should I ever need something .
At first I thought nothing of it, but the next day I heard that it was the highest-ranking men of the Mafia, and being offered something free to a Central European was of unimaginable value. I have never accepted the offer."
Source: MK, Germany, 2013
Last edited by 911T1971; 09-22-2013 at 08:18 AM.
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Hello
Was The Leo Kinnunen fastest lap on Targa Florio ever, not helmut Marko or ?
"The fastest ever was Leo Kinnunen in 1970, lapping in the Porsche 908/3 at 128.571 km/h (79.890 mph) or 33 min 36 seconds flat"
Last edited by hopo; 09-22-2013 at 08:00 AM.
Hi, I'm not a specialist. Quotes from Wikipedia and indeed Wiki lists Marko as well as Kinunnen !Originally Posted by hopo
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Hi,
I`m not a specialist either, I was just thinking, that It was mr Marko, who has told, that he owns ever lap record in Targa Florio.
Were the circuits the same route both years?
1971 911S, 2.7RS spec MFI engine, suspension mods, lightened
Early 911S Registry Member #425
Interesting.
They quote the factory owns R2 (race number 9, chassis 911 360 0020) driven at TF to third place by Kinnunen/Haldi.
For a long time, R2 was shown at the museum with "fake" livery of winner R6 (race number 8).
R2 is now restored back to its original TF livery with race number 9, including visible roof damages of training accident by Pucci.
It started in 72 as testing car w plates LEO ZA 69 in Weissach and was later driven by Larousse, Lennep and Donohue in France, before early 73 testing in Le Mans and then entering the Traga Florio. After Sicily, Gregg/Chasseuil drove the car in June 73 at Le Mans to Seventh place. Finally, from July to November 73, Steckkönig drove it as a test car.
Last edited by 911T1971; 11-16-2013 at 12:25 AM.
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Karim
This is great news
Finally it seems that the factory is recognizing the fantastic pedigree of this car in its own right instead of trying to pass it off as 0588 R6.
R6 had a reasonable race career (7th at 1973 Vallelunga 6 hour with Follmer / Kauhsen , DNF at Monza 1000 with Muller / van Lennep, winner at 1973 Targa with Muller / van Lennep, DNF Le Mans 24 with Haldi / Joest, 8th Zeltweg 1000 with Muller / van Lennep, and 6th Watkins Glen with Donohue / Follmer; although some records give it credit for Spa 1000km with Follmer but that was almost certainly R5 not R6)
However R2 had in my view a more important role and history through 1972 and 1973 that has not been recognized properly by the Museum while it pretended that the car they had was R6 or at a minimum was shown as a "representative car of the period" but with R6's Targa winning livery.
R2 (RS#0020) initially was registered LEO ZA 69 and entered as car #2 for Larousse in the 1972 Tour de Corse (along with R1 RS #0019). This was the competition debut of the RS/RSR.
Then it was used in late 1972 at Paul Ricard racetrack as a test car to develop the RSR track car and refine the rear spoiler shape as well as test alternatives
These Paul Ricard sessions were followed by Stuttgart university wind tunnel tests in January 1973 testing various aero devices including the chin spoiler and the "Mary Stuart" tail that was famously used at the 1973 Targa on R6, although the first version was used at Spa on R7 (car 41 for Muller / Van Lennep)
These wind tunnel tests with R2 also created both the Monza and Daytona aero packages used later in that year.
By April 1973 R2 had lost is red and white livery, and with the experience of Paul Ricard and the wind tunnel tests, it was entered as car #61 in the le mans test and 4 hour race for Schurti and Koinigg <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:TargetScreenSize>800x600</o:TargetScreenSize> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]-->where it came 4th in GT3000 class.
Following Le mans it was the #9 Targa car for Kunnunen and Haldi coming 3rd overall (the way the car is now restored)
After the Targa it went back to the factory and damage was repaired (as well as some other significant changes such as changing the oil system to get rid of the 1972 shell oil door and associated plumbing and replace it with a 1973 one) Then it was lent to Sonauto for Gregg and Chasseuil to drive as the #48 car at Le Mans where it came 14th overall and 7th in class.
Following Le Mans it went back to the factory as a test car (still wearing the Le Mans livery) where it tested very large rear wheels, and then was used in the wind tunnels again as the test bed for the various long tail aero configurations that were eventually used later in the season in Austria and in the USA on different cars.
After that it was "restored" back to the form it has been in at the museum until lately - representing the spirit of the 1973R cars but none in particular but mostly passed off as the #8 wining Targa car. It was tested by journalists, kept in the museum and toured the world as this car until now when, in my view at least, it has finally been recognized, at least in part, for the rich history it has in its own right
Last edited by HughH; 11-16-2013 at 02:15 PM. Reason: typos
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