Special early 1964 features on 1965 cars

[John Straub]

Car 300 952 has the six center panel front seats. Change between 952 and Johns car 301100.

Thanks Bob, I'm going to contact the original owner of my car and confirm.

John

[moito]

These are pictures of my floor pan showing the steel manufacturers stamp.
I imagine it would be on earlier cars also?

how cool is this even with date stamp

has anyone noticed differences in the early RHD floor pan(pedal cluster area) compared to the later ones?

[1st]

how cool is this even with date stamp

has anyone noticed differences in the early RHD floor pan(pedal cluster area) compared to the later ones?

There's only literally a handful - half dozen or so true '65 RHD's- show me a pic of the area of interest and I'll photograph my highly original car, RHD vin #3.

We believe through my research the first four RHD's were built in two batches of two in the werks department through early to mid '65....

Cheers

S

[9er]

Floor pan picture was from RHD built 2nd August 1965.

[brookedale091462]

Mind you and as most know, Porsche also had problems with the front end and after the first (German) Test drive by AMS magazine by Mr.Seiffert in early January 1965, the factory needed to add the legendary "wheights" in the front bumpers. The order to improve was out on January 20th 1965 by P.Glockenbach, Aichele notes that after 301340, all cars received the wheigts as standard in their front bumpers.

my car being 301349...Ill add the weights to the long list of "needs" when it goes back to a street car.

Great information

Dennis

[haul]

Is the AMS - auto motor und sport - from 23.january 65 available for all, or should i scan and translate it for archiving?
the 7.august 65 test for the 912 is already online with translation at
http://www.912bbs.org/vb/showthread....otor-und-Sport

best regards

[pss]

Hi Bob,
many thanks for this great input, special meaning to your input as it appears to be your post # 1000
Some comments:
- on the rubber mats, it would be great to know how 1964 cars have been delivered. I agree that the pictures in brochures and manuals might not reflect reality.
- will be taking your info on the tank release into the file, thanks!
- the air grill confusion comes from a statement in Dr B Johnson page 23 that is went to black in 1966. I have also been confused as many early cars have the black one, so possibly it was black first, then dull alu following Dr B (actually I believe that should read dull stainless steel), changing to black again in 1966
- do you have any indication on when the tailpipe non angled chrome cover was introduced?
- 6 seat folds: I know that car 984 had 6 folds. Again, also here possibly a fuzzy change period
- 6 centre piece wood: our registry confines the change between 567 and 835

You refer to car 952, do you have full input for us on that car for our overview?
Cheers, Jacques

Jacques you are doing a wonderful job, keep it going.

I only have a few items to add.
1964 cars had carpet. Early on a reviewer wrote about the carpet with the "rubber" heal and tunnel wear "mats" sewn in place, which was a real premium feature. On its pick up for a another publication the words were edited to just having "rubber mats", it must have been limited to word count and missed the full impact and meaning.... Full carpets, gas heaters and wood steering wheels were all items in service to the roll out of the new car model. Yes there is rubber floor mats pictured in the early Drivers Manuals as is the carpet, both were planned for, but cars used for the introduction of the "new car" were exampled with the top of the line features. As a easy change out item it is quite possible any car could have it's worn carpet replaced with less expensive rubber in the intervening 50 years.

The ring gas flap release with it's hole thru the "A" pillar was used thru car 300 254. This is identified in the Parts book, Group 8/3, page 5 and 6, "Tank cover Control up to chassis 300 254". 8 items. The knob that is added to the wire in the door jamb, as pictured in the January 1965 Drivers Manual (page 42) was a interim fix, as is installed in car 300 040. It has a metal shaft threaded for the plastic knob and fixed to the release wire. You must open the car door to reach it as it is in the door jamb, while the hole thru the A post and it's rubber grommets are still in place. The smaller gas flap release knob at the left of the dash as pictured on page 24 of the English version of the November 1965 Drivers Manual (W312 e), was used from car 300 255, approximately January 12th 1965 (second week) forward.

Note on the color period photo of the red 901/911 (in the prior above post) the front air grille is black (not silver). On the other B/W period photos it is always a black item, is as page 31, Drivers Manual, in both of it's Jan and Nov 1965 printings. This follows the Light Ivory prototype that is used for the Brochure W221 (August 1963) and the color photos of the yellow car 13 325 which was introduced at Frankfort in 1963. In the specification brochure W 28 (March 1965) all three cars the red, white, and blue car show the grille as black. (If someone can point to a period photo with a silver grille please let me know).

The slanted chrome tail pipe end is featured in a large group of period photos. Item 901 111 151 04 (item 2/1 in the parts book diagram) is a separate weld on tail pipe piece. It appears to have been a well reviewed and changed item, (the last two digits indicate it had four modification by 1966). It's order in the part diagram show it was a early on item, vs the chrome slide over tail pipe (#32) which is the last item in that illustrated section.

Car 300 952 has the six center panel front seats. Change between 952 and Johns car 301100.

Six piece wood dash was standard at the end of 1964, car 232, by car 952 it was simplified to five pieces.

End of 1964 cars did not have a model number on the rear lid or the glove box. (Easy to add by owners/dealers).

April 1965 cars had both rear lid number badge and dash glove box number badge.

Hope this helps.

[pss]

Is the AMS - auto motor und sport - from 23.january 65 available for all, or should i scan and translate it for archiving?
the 7.august 65 test for the 912 is already online with translation at
http://www.912bbs.org/vb/showthread....otor-und-Sport

best regards

I thought I saw yr scan just a few minutes ago still in this thread. Where has it gone? Would like to read it!

[haul]

dear jaques,

the 912 test is posted at the 912bbs.org - - i can open a thread over here, if there is a wish to have it done . .

[pss]

Would be great since I have no access to 912bbs.org (at least I cannot see the pictures). Txs!