Switch for Cibie additional head lights

[dirk07]

Tried to restore the electric on my Rallye car.
Somehow the switch for the additional head lights ( fender mounted CIPIEs) looks strange. It is a push and turn switch, where also aftermarket fog lights ( deleted)had been connected to.

Which part was 71-73 used?
Fog light switch?

[dirk07]

No ideas? would like to replace the two stage fog and additional headlight aftermarket one.

[edmayo]

On my 67 and 72 I just used the standard switch for additional lights. It is wired so that it must be pulled out (turn -on) and standard column mount hi-lo beam switch must be in hi- beam position for Cibies to work. Pull column switch back to lo beam and Cibies go out.

[dirk07]

Hi Edmayo,

the actually mounted additional switch is wired, like you mentioned. Only when this switch is pulled out and the standard column mounted swith is in high beam position the Cipies work.

I just wonder about this additional switch. It doesn´t look correct and I havent seen a switch like this before, but one the other side I haven´t had a Rally car with Cipies before.
The car came with Cipies and fog light. The fog lights are turned on by turning the switch.

I only know the combined rear/front fog or rear fog/front additional lights switch.

Was this combined switch also used for the combination additional and fog lights? Or two seperate ones? And where was the second mounted then?



Dirk

[edmayo]

I really didn't copy any rally car set-up, just did what made sense to me. I don't know how the factory did the rally cars or what switches they used, have never seen a genuine factory set-up. Was your car factory done, or done by some private team?

[dirk07]

The car was done by a private team.History says that they changed to the actually switch in 1976, when they mounted H4 and a bank of 4 rally lights (like the Safari ones) on the Hood for Mallorca Rallye .

[csbush]

My 70S has bumper mounted fog lights, and grill mounted driving lights. The fog lights operate with the fog light switch by the cigarette lighter, and go off when the high bean is activated.

The grill mounted driving lights are operated with a simple pull switch that is on the dash to the right of the steering column. I know the position is correct, but the switch and all the wiring are not original, so I can't tell you if it operated in conjunction with the headlights or high beams. I wired it in with a relay wiring harness from Gerald Kroom, and it seems to be correct per the workshop wiring diagram

I have no expertise on if a Rally team would use that same setup. It makes more sense to have all the lights go on when the high beam is switched on.

[dirk07]

Fog lights should go of with their high beams on.
Your additional light switch is mounted where the additional heater switch is located?

[911T1971]

Exactly same here, as member edmayo/post 3.

I have additional lights (above bumper/grill mounted) and they go on if i pull the switch, but only if before also have the hi-beam are on.
This is the factory setup on regular cars, i was told.
I cant therefore use the additional lights alone, they only work in addition with the standard hi-beams on.

[HughH]

I agree with what the others have said
Fog lights should be wired so that they come on with either the side lights or low beam with the pull out switch on the dash. With front and rear fogs there are 3 positions that can be set, 2 stage switch: a pull and a twist function so that a twist without pulling it out puts on the rears and the pull out puts on the fronts and when it is pulled AND twisted both front and rear are on. However IF high beam is activated the front fogs should go off and no fog light should not work if no side lights are on.

The driving lights need to be on a completely different system with a different switch. They need to come on by pulling the (single stage) switch but only when high beam is activated. When lights are dipped the driving lights must go off.
Factory road cars I have seen with both have the fog light switch in the middle of the dash along with rear window heater and cigarette lighter. They have a small black hella pull switch on the dash on the "inside" of the steering wheel (ie on the left in RHD cars and on the right in LHD cars (near where the switch for a sunroof is ) that pulls down to activate the driving lights when the high beam is activated

I have some photos of a factory rally car attached - I suspect that there may be differences in placement depending on who the drivers were and what other equipment was in the car. The standard road car Hella switch for driving lights was also used for twin plug competition cars (in pairs) to be able to isolate one bank of spark plugs at any time to diagnose problems or get home in "limp mode" if there were electrical issues.

On the 1972 factory rally car the two switches in the photos below were, I believe factory original for the two sets of Cibie driving lights mounted on this car.


the second photo shows how they were wired which i believe was untouched from when used in anger in 1972 and 1973.
It would appear to me that the red one was the primary switch and just pulling that one would allow one set of driving lights to come on when high beam was on and the yellow/ green switch was for the other set. With both pulled out all the lights would come on

the placement on the dash is interesting - I suspect it is there so the co pilot could activate or shut them off instead of the driver if he was concentrating on the road

here is a picture of my cars interior with the small black Hella pull switch (I use it for a different purpose) roughly in the place I have seen the pull switch for driving lights when there are also fog lights