Stolen engine No.6111743 - Porsche 911 T 1971 in Switzerland

[911T1971]

Where can you find mentions to Barth being involved?

Olivier.

72year old man from Sachsenheim - former Porsche employe.
Of what i have been told, that person received up to 40k Euro per car/service.

[TurkisTii]

"Jürgen Barth (born December 10, 1947 in Thum, Saxony) is a German engineer and a former racecar driver. He is the son of Formula One driver and sports car racer Edgar Barth."

Happy Birthday Jürgen? He just turned 73 yesterday. Wow! This is so unbelievable. I remember reading the original post 2 years ago.

[_gonbau]

"Jürgen Barth (born December 10, 1947 in Thum, Saxony) is a German engineer and a former racecar driver. He is the son of Formula One driver and sports car racer Edgar Barth."

Happy Birthday Jürgen? He just turned 73 yesterday. Wow! This is so unbelievable. I remember reading the original post 2 years ago.

What publication are you talking about?
thnks
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I see that it is this same post ...

[911T1971]

the main accused person owned Scuderia66 in Aachen, Uwe Niemann. His name was published in newspapers.
The company since disappeared with her website.

Uwe Niermann was also business partner with Tobias Nussbaum and his defunct Flat Six Cars AG based in Büsserach Switzerland, also charged in a separate trial w criminal charges valued in millions, among selling Porsche cars and among others thing, my engine.

[Biancaneve]

The names of Barth, Freisinger and others big guys had been mentioned in the affair for a while already ... see here
https://www.gatsbyonline.com/automob...ausses-408711/

[LongRanger]

. . . Barth, Freisinger and others big guys had been mentioned in the affair for a while already ... see here
https://www.gatsbyonline.com/automob...ausses-408711/ . . .

In case the article ever disappears, at some point . . .

'. . . Luxury fishing & scrap yards, all fake?

The most expensive historic racing Porsches called into question ...

According to information from Alain Rouhaud (whose yellow RS can be seen at the end of this column) and an article by Maurice van Kesteren in his Porsche RS magazine, car collectors all over the world would follow Uwe Niermann's affair with concern… claiming that for many years he was the official seller of the most important historic Porsches to ultra-well-off Porschists, until a Frenchman had him. accused of having defrauded him.

The accusation, according to the informants, being solid and supported, it would have followed a whole series of arrests of big names in the industry of luxury fishing, all indicated as having engaged in counterfeiting, closed the eyes on the fakes that they had to denounce and appraise… in relation to the gigantic financial possibilities which ensue!

The historic racing car market is numbered in the hundreds of millions every year, it is an environment where swarms swarm the crooks, the unscrupulous businessmen and the conceited ..., a world which allows the laundering and the recovery of hijacked, stolen cars , made up where, in addition to the rarity, the history of the car is essential.

Pharmacies specializing in large-scale shenanigans, often attached to a single manufacturer authorized to issue authentication in return for huge amounts of money, have invested in what previously was the preserve of mafia mechanics ..., under the pretext of cleaning up this fool's market. , these pharmacies have built a “system” that has nothing to envy to the ancient drug emperors such Pablo Escobar.

In many cases, the auctioneers also make a fortune there by selling cars adorned with doublets or triplets of registration documents and history as false as the curriculum Vitae and the certificate of good life and morals of an escapee. …, Eager to remake a virginity…

The Porsche 917 prototype which took the start at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1970 and which then appeared in Steve McQueen's film was sold for 14 million dollars two years ago ..., in justification, the machine was abandoned in a shed for decades (sic!) until its discovery in 2002 in another barn (barn find), followed by its total restoration .., the details are obviously nebulous, we no longer know who it was, who could take it from the shed to the barn to create a “Barn find” type false discovery barnum … nothing… nothing… nothing…

Other 917s were sold in almost the same way, having virtually nothing of the original car, including a 917 involved in an accident at the time, 90% of the car had been destroyed ... say that if only 10% is authentic (sic!) it is no longer a question of a restoration but of a more or less identical construction .., in fact, the body is in fiberglass and the chassis in aluminum…, in this world of deception in reality we build “in the old way” a new chassis and a new bodywork all equipped with a new engine and “it works” thanks to the chassis number which is the only authentic element , although ... and also thanks to the famous “expertise”…, As long as this is the case with these typical stolen car reconditioning shenanigans, the car in question will continue to be considered “the car” , regardless of the extent of the renovation it has undergone.

Did this car indeed participate in the competitions at the time or was it only these twenty centimeters of its chassis that participated in the race?

It gets tough with the integrated restoration pharmacies of Porsche and Ferrari which issue certificates of originality the cost of which is in line with the result that can be obtained in an auction ...

On this subject, I tracked a Ferrari Enzo which had been totally destroyed in a serious accident in California, the car, of poor design, had not withstood (like the others) the long undulations of the road beyond 200km / h and had broken in two ... well it was Jean Todt who came to buy the wreck to have it completely destroyed and who used the chassis number so that Ferrari could build a new Nth Enzo Ferrari as if it was was a benign repair ..., as the Enzo were banned in the USA because of their dangerousness (as written, they break in 2) it was the way to put an Enzo out of nowhere for sale ..., there is no small profits!

(The whole story reads here: https://www.gatsbyonline.com/automob...-crash-342741/ )

The red Ferrari Enzo which was a wreck after the accident, has allegedly been completely rebuilt “new” at Ferrari, but repainted in black “Nero-Daytona” …, this is the official version…, but when you see the Red Ferrari Enzo cut in half with the engine / box and rear axle torn off, just like half of the front axle…, it is impossible… and, to examine the “beautiful black Enzo” , unless it is an Enzo “ stolen ”having been made up by transferring the identification plates and the chassis number ... one can only guess / assume that Ferrari built a brand new Enzo and placed the chassis number and the wreckage identification plates there ( featured in this article)…, easier and faster than repairing anything (by impossible)…

A grandiose deception is thus juxtaposed in this incredible story ..., the basic reason is that this way of doing things makes it possible to no longer have to pay taxes since already paid for the red Enzo which belonged to the Bank of Scotland which made it a leasing to Stefan Eriksson…

As this multi-faceted Enzo was sold in 2016 in Paris…, it would be interesting to know who was selling this curious car which was sold for 1.568.000 € uros in an auction organized by RM-Sotheby in 2016 in Paris, the occasion of Rétromobile ...

Unless the new French owner was a madman and a complete idiot (who else would buy 1,568,000 € uros, a car remade from a wreck)…, impossible that he did not know that his car was carrying a f… pedigree and had been a wreck (there is something to laugh about) completely redone "as new" according to what RM-Sotheby wrote in its catalog, (an extract is reproduced below) ...

Indeed, it is a new Enzo on which the identification plates and the chassis number of the wreck of the red Enzo have been placed…, it is the work of Jean Todt grand manitou at the FIA ​​and at the destiny of Ferrari who bought the wreck of the red Enzo, had it sent to Ferrari to have it destroyed at 1000%…, so that no atom of dust remains…, and had a new Enzo 100% new on which the identity of the red Enzo was grafted, thus avoiding a hypothetical homologation and taxes…, Ferrari certifying that it was a “restoration”and the Enzo Ferrari painted in black was sold by RM Sotheby with a description and a false history, which is all the more serious and dishonest as Jean Todt is a member of the International Advisory Council of Sotheby's…

The buyer, one year and a few later sold the Enzo over-the-counter to an important French collector located near Saint-Jean de Luz…

“The Enzo presented here, chassis 135564, is a 2004 model that was originally finished in Rosso Corsa (DS322) and fitted with seats trimmed in Nero (VM 8500) leather with four-point harnesses and instruments in Rosso”.

“The car left the factory in Maranello in January of 2004 and was sold new to its first owner through Maranello Concessionaires in the UK on 12 February 2004. The car then made its way to the United States in 2006, where it was unfortunately damaged in a road accident ”.

“The chassis was repaired and overhauled at the Ferrari Technical Assistance Service, where it was finished in a stunning color combination of Nero Daytona over Rosso leather seats. The car was built with a handful of special features, including satellite navigation, a Bose stereo system, a reversing camera, power windows, and a rear spoiler in carbon fiber with 'Enzo script', adding a touch of luxury to the otherwise spartan interior . Currently, the car has only 2,500 kilometers on its odometer and has remained in Europe since its rebuild ”.

“Furthermore, the car has been fully blessed and certified by Ferrari Classiche, confirming its authenticity in every way. Today, it remains in virtually as-new condition and is ready to be enjoyed on the open road.

Presented here is a very unique Enzo with a fascinating array of special features that were unavailable on any other Enzo built. Fully certified by the Factory, this is perhaps the most exclusive Enzo available today. It is a unique Ferrari without peers and one to be cherished and appreciated ”.

https://www.rmsothebys.com/pa16/pari...i-enzo/1078446

But it's worse with historic racing cars selling far more than the million and a half of this Enzo…, a world that was generally reserved exclusively for the original cars, but is no longer…, the term “Original” is therefore already a subject of discussion, but the problem goes much further, much further: historic “original” racing cars have taken on such value that we hardly dare any more use them in competition.

Of course, the use on the circuits of a car worth seven million, belonging to an individual is madness for any reasonable person, therefore, for many years already, collectors have, in addition to their original antique, an identical replica indistinguishable from the authentic and intended only for competitions . . .'

[LongRanger]

'. . . Participation in a historic competition with a replica is absolutely against the rules of the FIA, unless the replica in question has been registered, homologated and has an HTP certificate ..., yet it is has been a common and widespread practice for many years, even without a certificate, in many cases one might even wonder how safe it is to ride on the circuit with an unrestored racing chassis!

The customer is king and he is quite demanding in this segment, so a car manufacturer is commissioned by a customer to prepare, for example, a 917 for competition, but the work should not cost more than two to three million, that is, is difficult, but it is possible, because we can find a piece of chassis (the one where the number is struck) and build the rest of the chassis as new…, the body can also be built identically .., as for the engine, we can probably buy one somewhere for a million, or even have it built from A to Z (If the prices of Porsche and Ferrari are too high, some pharmacies in Argentina make remarkable fakes and can also provide false certificates authenticity) ...

This is not a cheap job where you only use original parts, but for an affordable amount of money you can get a nice fake old one that you won't hesitate to use. in competition.

About 130 Porsche 550 Spyder were made at the time and today only four or five of these fully original cars remain ... and of course these cars are not used in competition, the others have been completely restored. (or brand new) and, here again, the question is how much is left of the original car…, especially since a 550 has meanwhile reached the astronomical value of seven million dollars.

But all this is still quite harmless, especially if we compare it to the Porsche Carrera RS ..., according to connoisseurs, today there are twice as many examples of this car as those which were produced at the time and none of these copies is not homologated as a replica ..., the sale of a replica as an authentic collector's car or the transfer of the chassis numbers nevertheless constitute a serious fraud but even the most reputable companies engage in such practices, and it is precisely this gray area of ​​the original character that the market avidly exploits… and I'm primarily targeting buyers here.

The life of the car, its history and its authenticity are the elements which contribute to these high amounts, even if this is questionable or if it does not correspond to their value…, in 2008, one could still buy a good 2.7 RS for 200,000 euros, but a few years later, you had to spend 800,000 euros to acquire one of these models.

If you are offered one for 400,000 euros, what do you do if you have the money and are moronic enough to venture into that basket of crabs?
Even auction houses do not disclose certain facts about a car if it could affect its value, and owners rarely mention any faults in their car.

https://www.gatsbyonline.com/automob...rs-2l7-398518/

Uwe Niermann is the owner of the SCUDERIA m66, a company which sells, repairs and restores historic racing cars or builds fake new ones on demand… Uwe is renowned in the market as a reliable and intelligent professional…, in the world of races, the surprise is enormous when, on July 25, 2019, he is accused of fraud.
According to the German television channel WDR, he is accused of having sold counterfeit cars, of having falsified documents and of having fraudulently earned a hundred million…, the alleged involvement of Jürgen Barth, Willy Kauhsen, Manfred Hering and Manfred Freisinger also caused a shock…, Jürgen Barth, for example, knew the time when cars of this type were parked in the backyards like jacks, but today he crisscrosses the world to give his opinion (against the payment of phantasmagorical fees) on the cars of yesteryear, which are worth several million .., a report from this gentleman is in itself sufficient reason to take a car seriously, therefore to agree to pay a price for it very consistent: if Jürgen Barth has examined the car,then this is a genuine and reliable car… and the contents of the report, if at all read (they are stereotyped), are interpreted favorably.

The same goes for cars sold at auction, if a car has already been auctioned by Bonhams, Coys, Artcurial for a historically high amount, this in itself constitutes an increase in the value of that car, without having however no certainty as to how the car was newly built and what the genuine elements are, if any.
The market is sensational, it succumbs to the madness of famous names and seeks value in a car itself.

Geert Jan Jansen is a master forger who is perfectly capable of presenting paintings by his hand such as works by Picasso or Karel Appel, for example… the owners of such works are generally outraged by such claims, rather than disappointed… because it's just not in their best interests to admit they have a fake hanging on the wall!

The same is true for cars.

The question now is whether former Niermann customers will now come forward and make a complaint?
From the moment they make such a claim, their car's value will drop to zero or maybe they won't make such a claim because they are well aware of what they have bought.

There too, I investigated Bugattis and especially two Alfa Romeos with the same chassis number: https://www.gatsbyonline.com/automob...2211079-379278 /

Uwe Niermann who forges chassis numbers and falsifies documents…, who sells a replica like a genuine car and has cars built from spare parts to sell them as original cars?

What a souk!

In the world of classic cars and racing, there are several examples of “famous” cars that suddenly reappear, with or without the help of the original manufacturer.
Even louder: the black Porsche Typ 64 from the private collection of the Porsche family was built entirely around the chassis plate!
The same goes for the Bugatti Atalante from the VW museum and that of a famous American manufacturer ...

Early racing cars like the Porsche 906, 908 and 917 were scrapped when they were involved in an accident, the numbers of these cars are documented and yet now they are running again in a newer than new condition…, just as in recent years aftermarket frames have also started to be used as bases for building cars with unknown but factory approved continuation numbers.

It's a fact, pretty much in all cases, customers in this segment are more than intimately involved in building these new fake old cars .., imagine a rebuilt 908 Le Mans Classic wins the race?

Everyone is competing to buy it… but what is the buyer's responsibility? When can we still talk about restoration? How original does a car have to be in order to be considered original?

In the event of outright counterfeiting or fraud, the case involving Uwe Niermann will be fairly easy to resolve.

Recently, Klaas Vlaanderen took legal action against Peter Hofstee, years ago Vlaanderen had bought a Porsche from Hofstee and he thought he had made a very good deal ..., according to Vlaanderen and according to an expert appraiser he had used later it was an extremely rare Carrera 2.7 RS Lightweight.
However, years later he discovered that this car was not an original 2.7 RS at all.

Hofstee asserted that he never claimed to sell this car as such and that, moreover, the price did not correspond to such a car…, the court ruled in favor of Hofstee, the buyer should have carried out research further and, according to the court, he should have known that it was not possible to buy a real 2.7 RS for this price.
In light of this judgment, this case is very interesting…, it mixes a gray area and a soapy slope . . .'


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[Biancaneve]

The translation from french via google is sometimes quite hilarious, starting from the title ... this is due to the peculiar language and style of the author ...

[911T1971]

good its now all over, that these crooks Niermann & Co never touch a Porsche again.

[718RSK]

Is Freisinger part of the suit also or is this separate? His name is mentioned in the article.