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    Serial old car rescuer Arne's Avatar
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    First CoA, then PPS, now CTC?

    Just received this email from PCNA regarding my CoA/PPS application. They've changed it again. Now they won't confirm matching numbers without a physical inspection of the car at a dealer. Who knows what that will cost. Assuming you have a local dealer, which I don't.

    Hello,

    Thank you for your Porsche Production Specification (PPS) order. We are emailing you to make you aware that the PPS has been updated. We will no longer list the engine and transmission number on a PPS, rather we will list the engine displacement. We also now offer the Classic Technical Certificate (CTC) which is a comprehensive certificate providing important production information and technical specifications of your Porsche. For information regarding the CTC, please visit the below website.

    https://www.porsche.com/usa/accessor...leinformation/

    If you wish to cancel your PPS order, please make us aware within 2 business days. If we do not hear from you, we will automatically place your order into process.

    Kind Regards,

    Marianne Priess
    Porsche Specialist, Certificate of Authenticity
    Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
    One Porsche Drive
    Atlanta, GA 30354-9817

    Phone: 1-800-PORSCHE (1-800-767-7243)
    Fax: 1-800-322-2436
    Email: COA@porsche.us
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    Arne, have you tried reaching out to davep here? He may be able to assist if kardex’s are avail for your year. I don’t remember the year cutoff. I’m thinking this is just another case of “Lawyers Gone Wild” or worse yet the consequences of our litigious society.
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    No kardex for a '72, I've been told. I have a verbal communication from a contact in the UK which listed the options and engine number (matches). And I have the original Service booklet with the engine listed as well. So I've got no concerns about whether mine matches or not. But I had ordered the PPS just to have it in writing. But to have to take the car to a dealer for a physical inspection is a new hurdle, especially so for people who don't live near a dealer.

    And are you going to want your car inspected before it is restored and nice? I don't think I want my car's CTC to list all of its current condition shortcomings for posterity.

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    I guess it's a step towards the Ferrari classiche model...
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    And how much are they charging for all this? Has a bit of a stench of a money grab.
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    Looks like we both received the same email:

    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...26-Porsche-PPS

    And freaked out right about the same time.
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    Trust me this is the beginning of a VERY big money grab/attempt to dictate the Porsche classic market by Porsche AG/PCNA.

    Here is my prediction:

    If you want your car "Certified" by Porsche Classic they will require that you:

    -Bring your car to an "approved" Porsche Classic Center for an "inspection" (by some 24 year old kid who last year worked at a Toyota store but took a 6-week training class in Ontario, CA at the Porsche Training center...)

    -They will provide a list of "deficiencies" of which you will need to "remedy" using Porsche classic parts and service in order to be "Certified" at great expense, I am sure they will use some fancy language and grades for this.

    -Once you do these things they will give you some sort of fancy certificate that you will also pay dearly for. The Sheep will then claim their car is better than all the rest because it has a fancy Porsche stamp of Approval.... Those in the know will laugh knowing how little so many of the Classic people know...

    -This certificate will "expire" so to keep it current you will have to revisit the Classic Center at some interval to be reinspected and any issues brought back up to par... At great expense of course and requiring you to replace NOS parts that show some patina with "purported" new Porsche Classic parts that us purists know are lower grade, incorrect or just plain junk...

    -Sadly the market who is know largely made up of Sheep who don't really know anything about the cars will pay a premium for these cars, further incentivizing other owners to go down this path. All of us in the know will understand the greatest knowledge base resides among those of us who have been elbow deep in these cars for years, not Porsche corporate who sees $$ and prestige in involving themselves in this stuff.

    Maybe thats a dire prediction, but figured I would put it out there to see if when I revisit this post in 5 years I will be proven correct.... I PRAY that I am not, but I see the handwriting on the wall here....

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    The email mentions canceling the order. It seems that PCNA knows how much of a bummer this is and how useless the PPS actually is. I'm canceling mine. Who needs a piece of paper that likely tells you less than you already know about your car? They are certainly pushing people towards the CTC.
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    Could happen. To make matters worse I think there are only ten or so "classic partner" dealerships. Porsche snoozed on the classic business for years and now wants to make up for lost time and profit. The Treffen thing still chaps me.
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    I'm certainly not "freaked out", just mild disappointment and some disgust. Yes, I cancelled mine.

    All of the recent changes to the CoA/PPS/CTC program have been aimed at making lawyers happy, with a late sop thrown to the dealers with the CTC change.

    The dealer connection is obvious. The dealers will get to charge for their time on this "63 point comprehensive" inspection, plus it may bring in some floor traffic from people like myself who have no intention of buying a late model Porsche. Two small wins there.

    The lawyer bit is all about deniability. First they stopped reporting the original engine number unless you already knew it, in order to not support potential fraud with engine restamping. Then they renamed the resultant paperwork—"Certificate of Authenticity" sounds a bit too definite, they really don't want to be in the business of "certifying" anything. The recent policy of only offering PPS for official PCNA imported cars takes them clear out of the loop on many of the most valuable and collectible cars, such as real RSs. And now they want all cars to be physically inspected before they will generate a meaningful document, which still denies the "authenticity" label. Again, this is aimed at taking PCNA out of the loop of the "certification" bit.

    Like any of the dealer or Porsche Classic people know enough to ID a restamped case...
    - Arne

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