First LWB

[210bhp]

Scott

The thread has proven so popular that I have exceeded my bandwidth for photo bucket for number of views. I am working to get the pictures back up hopefully this weekend. I have not added more to the thread yet until this issue is sorted as I have yet more photos to add and further developments on the story. I am on holiday next week so likely the story will continue the week after. We have been frustrated by the factory archive which would appear to have very little more information on the car's life as a prototype.
Glad you are enjoying the read!

Regards
Mike

[t6dpilot]

I absolutely am Mike, especially since I have a very early 1969 911E #54. Enjoy your holiday and I am looking forward to seeing your photos when you get back.

[Bullethead]

#119200001 now on eBay UK, featured in BaT too. It's been a fun read... fascinating and entertaining thread about this car.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISA...d=384468074672

[Mark Morrissey]

Amazing, unbelievable story. Mike, how many editors and journalists have you had to beat away for fear of suffocation? Which leads to ... which magazine get's the rights to this great story? That will take a hell of a talent to put a fresh spin on it. Congratulations.

[210bhp]

No offers Mark apart from your own Excellence magazine but we are not able to satisfy the editors request for photos in the correct format. I am not all that brilliant at working out why.

Regards
Mike

[LongRanger]

. . . 119200001 now on eBay UK, featured in BaT too . . . a fun read... fascinating and entertaining . . .

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISA...d=384468074672 . . .

From the eBay posting . . .

. . . The car was discovered in a barn, where it had been for over 25 years, by two committed long term early 911 UK based enthusiast/owners and totally researched by us as genuine. Factory confirmed and virtually complete with unique colour combination. Probably the very first long wheel base (LWB) Porsche ever built. Totally unique . . .

. . . First three owners were contemporary Porsche factory drivers of the day; Robs Lamplough, Paddy McNally and the immortal Jo Siffert. Built two months before actual LWB production began and used as a mule for six months at the factory. Converted by the factory from LHD to RHD for the first road driving owner. Personal letters from one of the first three owners confirming its early history. Unparalleled provenance . . .

. . . This car has matching engine, gearbox and chassis (VIN) numbers. The very first ever LWB chassis (# 119000001) and the very first ever MFI E engine (# 620001). Confirmed as a factory Versuch (prototype) model, one of only three or four known to exist and this is the earliest LWB example. The car retains all its original Versuch tags with the factory prototype numbers along with the usual VIN plates. Documents on hand confirm its status. Contains a mix of SWB and LWB parts as would be expected in the summer of 1968 during testing of the new model. Unique original colour combination of light ivory exterior and red interior (all items present). Repainted black in the mid 1980's but original colour still evident everywhere. Correct date stamped original parts, including four matching dated five and a half inch Fuchs wheels. All body panels except one front wing and the engine lid are original. Engine is complete from heat exchangers to air box. Gearbox original and complete. Original hydromatic front suspension has been replaced many years ago as most have. Interior in restorable condition. Uncracked SWB dash top. SWB rear lights. Seats, door panels, lower dash, carpets all in good to excellent condition. Original undamaged glass all round. Door pockets reasonable. Lovely date stamped steering wheel, stained and torn headlining. No hood badge . . .

. . . As can be seen from the pictures the ducktail is obviously not original but the decklid grille fitted to it appears to be the correct one year only three bar 1969 grille. We have a very nice one year only 1969 decklid that will come with the car. The front seats shown in the pictures are also aftermarket replacements. We have the original red seats which are in restorable condition and will also come with the car. Although not shown in any of the pictures we also have the original bonnet . . .

. . . This unique 911 will require total restoration: The shell is in a poor state and mechanical components will need a total renovation/rebuild. It will need a complete top to bottom nut and bolt rebuild but such an historically important car must be saved. Once this car is restored it will represent a benchmark example of the whole 911 development and in particular a watershed moment in the pre-impact bumper (longhood) programme . . .

. . . We are both well-known contributors to early 911 forums. This is a private sale. We are not dealers. You can read all about the discovery of this amazing barn find 911 on our thread on DDK . . .



Auction result = BP37.1k = $57.2k = Eu43.6k . . .


. . . and where is this car now?

[nimbels]

I own 199210008 that should be one of the very first karmann build 911's i think

[beh911]

I own 199210008 that should be one of the very first karmann build 911's i think

You mean 119120008, correct?

That is an early one. Please share some info on the car with the forum.

[LongRanger]

. . . That is an early one. Please share some info on the car . . .

Yes-yes --- please . . .

. . . especially your production aka secret number


I believe that VIN numbers are only sequential by type --- T, E, and S . . . and aren't strictly accurate temporally

Here's a listing posted by ST Man --- see post #36 . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...rs-.-.-./page4

Notice that two cars are listed w/ 0001 VINs

davep might chime in here --- but I'm thinking that production numbers are the better indicator as to the relative order in which cars were built

[nimbels]

Yes, sorry I meant to say 119 indeed. The CVO say's it is a matching numbers 69 911 karman coupe and was built 3 september 1968 in US spec for the P.C. Pacific Burlingame California dealer. Car is in very good / original condition, except for that at some point in time the car was repainted to "porsche silver". Drove in the mille miglia entourage + vacation in Italy last year... and attended the goodwood festival of speed 50 year tribute this year.

Chassis number: 119120008
Engine type: 901/16 (us spec) with number 6195012
Transmission type: 901/12 (us spec) with number: 7190018 (5 speed alu transmission)

The colour number is reflected as 68-6809-H and is the same as i got on the Porsche birth cert. with also reveals that there where 3560 built that year (modelljahr 1969).