1973 Carrera RS Cars for Sale

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Originally Posted by Pirulero

Did you drive an orignal Lightweight?

Drive it....and then let us know

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Just a touring.

Your answer is below. The fascination is the number "200".

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Originally Posted by rower

I don't really understand the fascination with lightweights. They aren't that much lighter than the touring and they aren't a full race like the RSR.

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Originally Posted by Pirulero

Did you drive an orignal Lightweight?

Drive it....and then let us know

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The value is in the limited production. Here's a comparison from another era; The 300SL coupe production figure was 1315 units. Of these 29 were alloy all over vs just the doors hood and trunk. They did have a sport cam. But you could order one on any car. They were only modestly lighter. They drove relatively similar just a bit more torque due to the sport cam.
Ten years ago you could buy a regular gullwing for $500,000 and an alloy car for $1,000.000. ( 2X).
Today a standard gulling goes for $1,500,000 while one of the 29 alloy cars go for $6,000,000+.(4X)

Same holds true for The alloy bodied Ferraris.

IMHO I think an RS lightweight should be valued at 3X's an RS Touring.
Just my .02.

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Originally Posted by brookedale091462

The value is in the limited production. Here's a comparison from another era; The 300SL coupe production figure was 1315 units. Of these 29 were alloy all over vs just the doors hood and trunk. They did have a sport cam. But you could order one on any car. They were only modestly lighter. They drove relatively similar just a bit more torque due to the sport cam.
Ten years ago you could buy a regular gullwing for $500,000 and an alloy car for $1,000.000. ( 2X).
Today a standard gulling goes for $1,500,000 while one of the 29 alloy cars go for $6,000,000+.(4X)

Same holds true for The alloy bodied Ferraris.

IMHO I think an RS lightweight should be valued at 3X's an RS Touring.
Just my .02.

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Awesome example! And why I would buy the regular 300sl (which incidentally has quite a few of the body panels in alloy). I love that car. Are you sure it is such a price spread? The alloy Ferrari's I agree with, but that's because they were SEFAC race cars, like the 250gt SWB. The gull wings weren't the race cars.

But the Lightweight is just door panels, seats and the bumper? There is no difference in anything else, from my knowledge. Same assembly line until it gets to final fitting.

I am positive of the price spread.It may be even higher at the moment.

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Originally Posted by rower

Awesome example! And why I would buy the regular 300sl (which incidentally has quite a few of the body panels in alloy). I love that car. Are you sure it is such a price spread? The alloy Ferrari's I agree with, but that's because they were SEFAC race cars, like the 250gt SWB. The gull wings weren't the race cars.

But the Lightweight is just door panels, seats and the bumper? There is no difference in anything else, from my knowledge. Same assembly line until it gets to final fitting.

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also-the 29 alloy Gullwings were primarily sold to race drivers / owners such as Augie Pabst, Tony Pavano, Lance Reventlow….
It was a cheaper and easier way to get "race parts" on a Gullwing.

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Originally Posted by rower

But the Lightweight is just door panels, seats and the bumper? There is no difference in anything else, from my knowledge. Same assembly line until it gets to final fitting.

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Yes, this is the answer. The major body panels were all the same, not a completely different set of alloy panels.

Although the 471 had more than a few other differences like no rubber/metal front bumper trim, no rocker trim, no rear lid lock, Fuchs spare, one horn, less sound insulation, one battery, no rear seats, lighter carpet, no clock, black headliner, one sun visor, no clock, thin glass with fixed rear windows, and the all important decal hood crest. ;)

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Originally Posted by rower

I don't really understand the fascination with lightweights. They aren't that much lighter than the touring and they aren't a full race like the RSR.

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That's because it's a name we have dreamt up. The factory never called them 'lightweight'. They called them 'sport'. Where the name lightweight originates from regarding the RS I have no idea.

Regards
Mike

I repeat:

Drive a Touring

then

Drive a Lightweight M471



Then let me know....you will discover that they are 2 different world!
Remember: less is (much) more

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Originally Posted by rower

I don't really understand the fascination with lightweights. They aren't that much lighter than the touring and they aren't a full race like the RSR.

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100kg less kilos (10%!)
6.5 X less made
The "real" RS 2.7 (the Touring was made only because Porsche doubt that they could sell 500 Sports. They were certainly right).